From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #267 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/267 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 267 Today's Topics: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) [B7L] HORIZON Newsflash - Update Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Re: [B7L] stupidity Re: [B7L] top 100 [B7L] Croucher's Back Re: [B7L] top 100 Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:43:23 EDT From: Mac4781@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Message-ID: <672db192.362c856b@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry, I've lost info on who did the first quote. The follow-up is from Deborah. > << As plan after plan not only fails, but backfires, we can see his hatred > of Blake growing. >> > > This makes sense to me. It would explain why Travis deteriorates the way > he does into selling out the Human race. He reaches a stage where no price is > too much to accomplish his goal. An interesting parallel to Blake's own growing > obsession with Star One. I've always thought that being brought up on politically motivated charges by his own people (TRIAL) also contributed to his willingness to sell out humanity. It left him a disgraced outlaw. What does he have left? His career is in shambles. And the military was more than his career, it was his life. He has to interpret Servalan's promise of "free as a dead man" as an execution sentence. He has nothing left but a lot of anger and a lot of enemies. Carol Mc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:03:47 +0100 From: JMR To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] HORIZON Newsflash - Update Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19981020140347.006e4500@mail.clara.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Tuesday 20th October More News From "Horizon": BRIAN CROUCHER - Blake's 7 news seems to be a little like buses - all turning up at once. News just in from Brian Croucher is that he's hosting "An Evening With Brian Croucher" as part of the Wandsworth Festival at the Grace Theatre, 503 Battersea Park Road, London (Box Office 0171 228 2620) on SUNDAY 8th NOVEMBER 98. It starts at 7.30 (for about an hour and a half) and takes the form of excerpts from Brian's 30 years as an actor and director (including some clips from the B7 episode +Trial+) followed by a short interview by a fellow actor and ending with questions from the audience. For B7 fans the evening doesn't end there, as Brian has invited attendees to join him in the Grace's bar afterwards for a drink and a chat. The Horizon website carries bus/train/tube routes to the Grace. More detailed B7 news and information available at: J.M. Rolls jager@clara.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:13:25 EDT From: Tigerm1019@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Message-ID: <672ca67a.362c8c75@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-10-20 08:47:23 EDT, Carol wrote: << I've always thought that being brought up on politically motivated charges by his own people (TRIAL) also contributed to his willingness to sell out humanity. It left him a disgraced outlaw. What does he have left? His career is in shambles. >> I agree that the trial was a factor in his decision to sell out humanity, but I think his career was going down the toilet before then. I remember a scene in "Seek-Locate-Destroy" where Rai sticks his neck out to tell Servalan that many officers will not serve with or obey Travis. Perhaps part of why he preferred mutoid crews was a fear of mutiny (not that he would ever admit it). I also think the fact that he'd been chasing that $@%&! Blake for years and still hadn't gotten him had something to do with it. He was determined to kill him, no matter what. Abit like burning down the house to kill one fly, but so be it. Tiger M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:25:54 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis (was Seven Vices) Message-ID: <9e2b9c4a.362c8f62@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/20/98 7:47:23 AM Central Daylight Time, Mac4781@aol.com writes: << 've always thought that being brought up on politically motivated charges by his own people (TRIAL) also contributed to his willingness to sell out humanity. It left him a disgraced outlaw. What does he have left? His career is in shambles. And the military was more than his career, it was his life. He has to interpret Servalan's promise of "free as a dead man" as an execution sentence. >> I agree that this added to that. It wasn't immediately after the trial that he was ready to sell out though; he was still focussed on Blake, and had for at least a time the slim hope that finally successfully killing the Federation's biggest nuisance might somehow earn him redemption. Servalan played on that hope for a time; I think Gambit was the episode that demonstrated that the hope was indeed a futile one, and her actions inflamed him to include all of humanity to his list of persons to be destroyed at all costs. Deborah Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 16:46:48 +0100 From: "Heather Smith" To: "Roger the Shrubber" , Subject: Re: [B7L] stupidity Message-ID: <001b01bdfc40$d9deb680$e63363c3@smith99> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger wrote: >Avon was being unnecessarily rude here. Why wouldn't Orac answer if you >called his name? Because he was supposed to have gone into hiding? Heather. 'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish' -The fourth Doctor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:50:50 -0600 From: "K. Michael Wilcox" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] top 100 Message-ID: <362CCD7B.98A95E17@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Star Wars' tops sci-fi ratings > NEW YORK (Reuters) - George Lucas' "Star Wars" tops Entertainment > Weekly's list of the 100 best works of science fiction.... [snip] > ***Does anyone know if a certain low-budget 1970's BBC show earned a mention > ? Title escapes me.... No, B7 was not listed. "Doctor Who" was clear down at 62 (and "Babylon 5 was at 94!). Frankly, though, the fact that the list included "Space Invaders" (yes, the video game) at 68, only six places behind Who, and some singer called Sun Ra (admittedly at the bottom, but still), while things like B7 and "The Prisoner" were nowhere to be seen should demonstrate the value of this list. K. M. Wilcox This is my first post. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:47:43 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: "space-city@world.std.com" , Lysator , Diane Gies Subject: [B7L] Croucher's Back Message-ID: <362D04FE.FE2EBDAF@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I'd let you know, Brian Croucher is doing his one man show at the Grace Theatre in Battersea, south London on 8 November. It's called Croucher's Back. This is the blurb: "Long-term Battersea resident Brian Croucher returns a year on from his move to deepest Kent, and his departure as Ted Hills from Eastenders. Fresh from his recent performance as Prospero at the Gate, he delves into his video vaults and gives us the behind the scenes story, spilling the beans, and generally letting cats out of bags in a career spanning 30 years." It starts at 7.30pm. Tickets are five pounds (four pound concessions). The box office number is 0181 871 8711 -- cheers Steve Rogerson Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ "Get in there you big furry oaf, I don't care what you smell" Star Wars ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:29:20 EDT From: AChevron@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] top 100 Message-ID: <8754f8d6.362d1cd0@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/20/98 11:50:52 AM Central Daylight Time, kmwilcox@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes: << K. M. Wilcox This is my first post. >> We hope not your last; a well said piece. D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:23:01 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Message-ID: <362ACCB5.4995@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rob Clother wrote: > While we're on the topic, just how much information is there about the > Federation command structure? Before the War, the Federation seemed to > be divided into Space Command and the Presidency. However, when Servalan seized the Presidency prior to the invasion at Star One, she consolidated the two offices, in effect forming a military junta as is seen to often in South America, where the military general deposes the president and rules by armed force. If memory serves, a fascinatingly detailed analysis of the whole big bureaucracy (based on canon references) was posted to this last last spring (?) Don't know how you'd track it in the archives, tho. It included that marvelous litany of titles that Tarrant spouts to Servalan (forget which ep) in addressing her august position. No question that Tarrant was Federation trained! Those showy space cadets have to be polished at upper echelon parties. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:15:09 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Message-ID: <19981021081509.4140.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Pat: >If memory serves, a fascinatingly detailed analysis of the whole big >bureaucracy (based on canon references) was posted to this last last >spring (?) Don't know how you'd track it in the archives, tho. Calle, this looks like your field! Is there an archive file I can dig through? -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 1998 12:03:46 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII "Rob Clother" writes: > Is there an archive file I can dig through? Oh yes, there is. ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/digests/ holds everything from 11 September 1995 up until nearly now (it usually lags about a day behind getting copied to the FTP disk). ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/archive/ holds nearly everything before September 1995, with a gap in August and September '95 (I have the files lying around, I just haven't got around to putting them in their right place). All in all, there's about 23 megabytes of archive files, almost all of them compressed. -- Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/ Mediocre minds think alike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:37:21 EDT From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Pat wrote: << With Halloween coming up, I propose another list game: What costume would each crew member choose from Liberator's "clothes room" to wear out trick 'n treating at Freedom City? Blake: Robin Hood Jenna: Fairy Princess Avon: Count Dracula Cally: alien "grey" Vila: Roman Senator in toga with laurel leaves (and golden wine goblet) (and slave girls) Dayna: Atilla the Hun with long spear and sharp sword Tarrant: The bold pirate in crimson, Captain Blood Soolin: Heidi in pigtails - no! no! I mean the evil druid Queen Morgan la Fey Travis: Adolf Hitler Servalan: '20s Flapper (all that silky, sexy fringe) (and secret passwords to the SpeakEasy) >> This is great! Here are some other possibilities: Blake: George Washington - they both wanted to start a new order Jenna: Barbie doll - they both have great clothes and hair Avon: Mr. Spock - they both hate emotions Cally: Dr. Laura Schlessinger - they both like to give advice and Cally might enjoy being really scary Villa: Houdini - they are both great with locks Dayna: Wonder Woman - they are great fighters Tarrant: Capt. Drake, another great fighter Soolin: Emma Peel - both are tough, smart, and good fighters Travis: a bloodhound - they both like to track things Servalan: Katherine the Great - both loved power and dressed great Gan: Little John - they were both big and loyal Thanks, Pat, for this fun idea. Gail G. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #267 **************************************