From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #268 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/268 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 268 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon [B7L] Project Avalon Re: [B7L] Project Avalon Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency [B7L] The flying Kiwi takes off Re: [B7L] Project Avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:51:30 -0700 From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Message-ID: <362D6852.12F8@geocities.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tegan wrote: > Out of curiousity, where did you find Morgan Le Fey connected with > druidism? I've seen her connected to fairies etc, but I've never heard of > druids being connected with them in particular. oops. my fingers may have gotten ahead of my brain. I mostly know Morgan LeFay from the Marion Zimmer Bradley book, "Mists of Avalon" which I read a very long time ago. She lived in a monestary of... what? not fairies. I guess the druids were (historically) quite some time before the Arthurian legend? (Hell, they've appeared on Xena, Warrior Princess, but then who hasn't?) Or was Merlin associated with the druids somehow? Fan artist Susan Lovett did a lovely drawing of Avon as Merlin and Servalan as the evil LeFay. It was done to illo a story in which Blake was Arthur and Avon, as Merlin, his sharp spoken advisor. Pat P ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 03:44:28 EDT From: SuzanThoms@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Project Avalon Message-ID: <3e73ec3c.362ee25c@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit <> Are you referring to "The Castle and the River" in 5th SEASON #5? I usually loathe the idea of putting the B7 characters in historical stories but this one was wonderful. The cover illo is gorgeous but there is also a smashing illo of Blake and Avon on the back cover that I like even better. :) Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 02:20:27 PDT From: "Rob Clother" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Project Avalon Message-ID: <19981022092027.5349.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Suzanne: >Are you referring to "The Castle and the River" in 5th SEASON #5? I >usually loathe the idea of putting the B7 characters in historical >stories but this one was wonderful. The cover illo is gorgeous but >there is also a smashing illo of Blake and Avon on the back cover >that I like even better. :) Er... Don't mean to be nosy, but why do you loathe the idea of putting the B7 characters into an historical context? One could make a good case for saying that the post-war Federation was an allegory for early Medieval Europe. Stuff it: I can't resist explaining myself. 330AD: Constantine moves the base of the Roman Empire from Rome to Constantinople. A bit later (Sorry, chaps -- I'm not a professional historian), the Huns drive the Goths westwards into Central Europe. In turn, the Goths displace other tribes, and set in motion a domino effect that undermines Roman rule throughout the Northern part of the Peninsula, and weakens its hold in the South. Rather like 80% of the Federation fleet being wiped out by the Andromedan invasion. The Roman Empire, despite being weakened, is not destroyed. Rome and Constantinople remain politically united until the Schism of (if I remember correctly) 1054. During this time, the Holy Roman Empire is established. Its borders cover about 20-30% of the land mass of the Peninsula, and those states outside its jurisdiction are accountable to the Papacy, to a greater or a lesser degree. Remembering that pre-Renaissance Christianity was largely based on the doctrines of God's wrath, original sin and man's vulnerability to Satan's influence, it's not hard to see its parallels with Pylene-50. I have no trouble seeing Blake's rebels wreaking havoc in the Middle Ages. -- Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:07:23 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Message-ID: <30bd7d07.362f11eb@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Current discussion: << > Out of curiousity, where did you find Morgan Le Fey connected with > druidism? I've seen her connected to fairies etc, but I've never heard of > druids being connected with them in particular.<< I was under the impression that most of the characters in Arthurian legend are adaptations of ancient Celtic Gods, and that Geoffrey of Monmouth stole and adapted them in his Arthurian book to lend provinence to the current kingship in Mideval England, and to Christianize and humanize these God figures. Morgan Le Fey was probably adapted from the Morrigan, a goddes of terrible aspect; Arthur might possibly have been a warlord during the Roman occupation around which apocryphal stories had accumulated; and Merlin (or Myddren) was possibly a composite of 2 different king's Druidic advisors who lived at least a century apart. Monmouth smooshed the two together into one individual for his book. Merlin himself may simply be an updating of the Talisen legend and other god sorcerers of the ancient Celtic pantheon. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:07:21 EDT From: Bizarro7@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] re Project Avalon Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-10-21 21:47:15 EDT, VulcanXYZ@aol.com writes: << << With Halloween coming up, I propose another list game: What costume would each crew member choose from Liberator's "clothes room" to wear out trick 'n treating at Freedom City?>> In the Bizarro 7 story "Trick or Treat", Blake needed to recover a video tape valuable to the rebellion (or so he said). Since it was being hidden somewhere in Space Commander Travis' apartment and it was Halloween, he came up with the idea to masquerade himself and the crew to safely get them right up to Travis's door. They went as the following: Blake: Darth Vader. Avon: Mad Max. Cally: Dracula. Vila: A large pink bunny. Jenna: Han Solo. Predictably, the evening ended in disaster. Leah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:24:36 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Command and the Presidency Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Wed 21 Oct, Rob Clother wrote: > > Pat: > > >If memory serves, a fascinatingly detailed analysis of the whole big > >bureaucracy (based on canon references) was posted to this last last > >spring (?) Don't know how you'd track it in the archives, tho. If you mean the article I think you do, then you'll find it on my web page under 'essays'. It's one of the articles Neil Faulkner wrote for Altazine. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:47:08 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list , space-city@world.std.com, spin list Subject: [B7L] The flying Kiwi takes off Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, folks In less than a fortnight I'll be taking my first steps on British soil. Until then, my email access will be erratic, but I will still be contactable at either nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz or my new address ndcollie@hotmail.com I can access stonebow mail from hotmail, but I don't know how much longer this account will last. I'm horribly behind on reading my list email - but anything sent to me personally will been read (assuming I can get to a computer, which is looking pretty likely). I am making firm resolutions to finish reading all the fiction (some of which is still left over from the Party!) and get some notes out to the authors. :) My unsub messages will go out with this batch of messages. I've loved being a member of these communities over the last few months, and as soon as I get reliable access again I'll be back officially :) Until then ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz Friends help you move bodies. Real friends help you move. 12 sleeps! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:12:21 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Project Avalon Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Thu 22 Oct, Rob Clother wrote: >One could make a good case for saying that the post-war Federation was an >allegory for early Medieval Europe. > > Stuff it: I can't resist explaining myself. 330AD: Constantine moves > the base of the Roman Empire from Rome to Constantinople. A bit later > (Sorry, chaps -- I'm not a professional historian), the Huns drive the > Goths westwards into Central Europe. In turn, the Goths displace other > tribes, and set in motion a domino effect that undermines Roman rule > throughout the Northern part of the Peninsula, and weakens its hold in > the South. Rather like 80% of the Federation fleet being wiped out by > the Andromedan invasion. > > The Roman Empire, despite being weakened, is not destroyed. Rome and > Constantinople remain politically united until the Schism of (if I > remember correctly) 1054. During this time, the Holy Roman Empire is > established. Its borders cover about 20-30% of the land mass of the > Peninsula, and those states outside its jurisdiction are accountable to > the Papacy, to a greater or a lesser degree. Remembering that > pre-Renaissance Christianity was largely based on the doctrines of God's > wrath, original sin and man's vulnerability to Satan's influence, it's > not hard to see its parallels with Pylene-50. > > I have no trouble seeing Blake's rebels wreaking havoc in the Middle > Ages. If you were operating in that context, I guess they'd have to be heretics. It's the only way to maintain the analogy. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #268 **************************************