From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #59 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume98/59 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] Re: safety Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] Grandstanding Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test [B7L] Pictures Re: [B7L] Dr. Luv [B7L] Re: Dr. Luv Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test [B7L] re: Deliverence Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Re: [B7L] Space Island One Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake Re: [B7L] Vila vs Avon in the lust stakes Re: [B7L] Safety Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing [B7L] Zine Sale [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing Re: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing [B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence) [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake RE: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test [B7L] Weapons at Deliverance [B7L] TN expansion (was Vila and the Meyers Test) Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:20:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: safety Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Sun 22 Feb, brent@ntr.net wrote to Helen: > Of course that thought didn't occur to them, I never said that it did (and > if you weren't so blind in your fervent support for Avon, you would have > seen my thinking in the first place). Having read most of this thread and joined in fair bit of it (usually on the opposite side to Helen), I'd say that she's fervent, but not blind. As far as I'm aware, she recognises Avon's flaws along with the rest of us. We don't expect him to be a saint, because he wasn't. He was cynical, pragmatic and occasionally capable of extreme self-sacrifice. Which of those came to the fore on any particular occasion depended on many factors. If you were one of the few people he was willing to die for (like Anna) then you were safe anywhere with him (safe in the sense that he would not intentionally take you into danger and would risk all to get you out of it). If you weren't, then the risk increased in many different ways. There were risks he would take for the entire crew that he would not always take for an individual member of it. For Avon, choosing to die with Vila, when he knew that one of them could live, was not an option. Another character like Dayna might have chosen to draw lots to see who lived, but then killing came easily to Dayna, so I don't know for sure that she wouldn't have taken Avon's route (though Scorpio's crew were a substitute family to her, so I don't think she would have tried to kill in Vila's case). I'm not sure that we're trying to determine whether Avon was right or wrong in deciding to live; we're more trying to work out what drives him to a decision and what decision he would make in any particular case. Tarrant might well have chosen the 'die together' option. Dawn of the Gods suggests this. (Though I'd happily shoot the script writer for making Avon so stupid as to think he could survive a black hole by being a in space suit!) Whether that option is 'better' or 'worse' is probably a discussion more suited to the spin list. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:32:56 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Pat Patera wrote: > Harmless? HARMLESS!!! A great, lumbering brute, dirt smeared and > horribly scarred, wild-eyed and disheveled, a known fanatic bent on mass > destruction, found spinning webs in a hole at the center of a wasp's > nest of cutthroats and criminals, and you call him ... > HARMLESS?!?! HazMat technicians arrive at the Patera residence and confiscate container of grape soda. HazMat technician reads label on side of container. "As we suspected! Active ingredient: eye of troll." Addressing Pat: "Ma'am, didn't you read the warning on the side? It says right here 'The Surgeon General has determined that consumption of this product may cause dizziness, hallucinations, and distorted vision. Do not ingest nasally.'" Sue, unable to locate the character Pat was decribing in my set of Blake's 7 tapes. Although Travis fits many of the particulars. sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:38:35 EST From: AChevron@aol.com To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-ID: <6f676966.34f16dcd@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-22 23:57:40 EST, Nicola wrote: << All I know is, I hear that voice, or catch a certain facial expression, and Intellect and Reason get hauled out into an alley, beaten and left for dead by the Gland Gang. ttfn, Nicola >> That's about the size of it! 2million years or so of evolution, and all those hormones still control that big lump of meat in the skull... D. Rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:53:29 -0500 (EST) From: NWOutsider To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Grandstanding Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Jacquelyn Taylor wrote: > >>>>>> I like to think this is how Avalon worked; quietly, behind the scenes, > knitting together a coalition of worlds. And this is the sad irony about > Blake; that whatever the Federation did to his mental state, it caused > him to put personal revenge (blowing up the odd base here and there) > before the real power of politics - forming coalitions.>>>>>>> > > He blows up the odd base here and there not out of revenge but because > he's not foolish enough to take on the entire Space Command at once. If > he didn't have a ship and was ground-based, he would be organizing like > Avalon (as he did post-Star One?). There is need for both kinds of rebel activity, and other kinds besides, like people to organize on the planetary level and prepare for the aftermath. One person can't, and shouldn't, be doing all of them. Blake is doing his part, Avalon is doing hers, Shivan, Cauder, Kasabi, Grant, LeGrand and others are doing theirs. Blake is part of a larger movement, not acting in a vacuum (space puns aside). Sue sclerc@bgnet.bgsu.edu http://www.bgsu.edu/~sclerc/Blakes7.html B.I.T.C.H. "It's not just what I do. It's who I am." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 8:46 PM 2/22/98, Pat Patera wrote: >Vila is a surprise, a pinata, Well, that would explain my occasional desire to whack him with a big stick. Michelle Vila fan, and definite I (I think most I's are way too outgoing, in fact....) -- Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 06:50:49 -0800 From: "Adam L. Fuller" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980223065046.00699878@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Cyberspace in general is crawling with INTs, because >although they form a very small percentage of the general population, they >often gravitate to techie fields and hence to an online presence. Actually, SPs are the ones who dominate the computer and technical fields. In fact, the Internet is an extremely SP tool. SPs love information and resources, which is what the Internet is. It is also a very freedom oriented thing. You can say pretty much anything on the Internet because it is almost impossible to control and censor the entire world on the Internet. But the reason NTs end up quite a bit on lists such as these is because NTs enjoy long, drawn-out discussion. You can pretty much tell an SP from their e-mails. They hate writing a lot because it's not thrilling enough for them. They are the ones who coin phrases such as FAQ, BRB, FYI, etc. They do it to cut down on the time it takes them to write a sentence. They want it fast and easy, which is why they are often no fun to write back and forth with on the Internet. So, this is why NTs are more common in areas where a lot of writing is required, such as digests and lists. -Adam L. Fuller (ENTJ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:53:19 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-ID: <888242900.205511.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila said > I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is > not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's > category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.) Well I am an extrovert (ENTP) and I *love* Vila. I'm absurdly far gone in that direction. > Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila. > because she is truly scared.> Tramila, perhaps I haven't made the point strongly enough on this list (because it's a mixed type of list) but you are *certainly* not alone. All that stuff about chucking Vila out the airlock doesn't mean I don't love him. > Tramila > Chapter Member and Pres of VICE > Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element The one I suggested on Space City was Ensure Vila Isn't Lonely. > Take pity on this poor ESFJ. She's very like Vila. > > Tramila takes her bottle of Soma and joins Vila on the Liberator couch to > sleep the day away in idle, unfocussed activity. I always wonder - do we prefer a character because they are like us, or because they are different? I sometimes think I like Vila just because he is different from me. Alison I may not be bad, but I'm EVIL. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:55:38 -0000 From: Alison Page To: Lysator Subject: [B7L] Pictures Message-ID: <888245923.2022938.0@alisonpage.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know Hanneke tends to lurk on this list, so I hope she doesn't mind me recommending this site, which she brought to our attention on the other list. http://www.meteo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/theorie/paul/blakes7.html I don't know if you have seen this one - I hadn't found it during my trawls for B7 stuff. Perhaps it is rather new. Anyway - they are very high quality screen shots. Unlike Lisa's excellent site he hasn't referenced the pictures to speech and incident - but it is still a very good site. The reason I *had* to mention it now is because there really are some excellent Vila pictures there. Check out 407g and 411a, which are among the best I have ever seen, and I think the latter is a picture of Vila telling Avon off for trying to chuck him out the airlock - so it is fairly relevant to current discussions. Oh, and the guy who runs the site is obviously keen on Soolin, so if you like the ice maiden, look no further. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:48:47 -0600 From: "Reuben Herfindahl" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Dr. Luv Message-ID: <00de01bd407a$ee507540$660114ac@misnt> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Pat Patera To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 9:10 PM Subject: [B7L] Dr. Luv >Wow, that Dr. Luv knows his stuff. He was remarkably right on for me! >91% Avon (YESS!) >86% Soolin (my Golden Goddess) >81% Vila >71% Servalan >67% Blake >54% Gan >47% Travis >13% Dayna (she'd get on my nerves darn quick) > >But... but... Xena only ranked 26% !!! oh well, I'd be dead in a week. > >Pat P Umm, could someone let me know what/where/how/why,etc... this Dr. Luv string started? Is there an URL or something. Thanks Reuben reuben@reuben.net http://www.reuben.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:54:22 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Dr. Luv Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223085422.006af018@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rueben wrote: >Umm, >could someone let me know what/where/how/why,etc... this Dr. Luv string >started? Is there an URL or something. It was me! The Dr. Love figures out your compatability with whoever you choose. Here's the website: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kink/love/ Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:04:49 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223090449.006c74e0@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:54 PM 2/22/98 -0800, you wrote: >I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is >not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's >category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.) I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E. Although Avon is my favourite, Vila does come a close second. In fact when I first watched the first two seasons, he was my favourite. > >Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila. I'll back you up Tramila:-) >because she is truly scared.> I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support. Jay 100% Avon, but still with room to spare for Vila ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:15:46 +0000 From: "J.M.Willmott" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] re: Deliverence Message-ID: <34F1AEC2.2741@termlow.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 08:04:36AM +0000, Julia Jones wrote: > > In message , AChevron@aol.com writes > > >In a message dated 98-02-16 17:27:10 EST, you write: > > > > > ><< for lil ole me can't you? You don't want a 53 year old, overweight, > > > >white-haired Welshman... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wanna bet? > > > > Judith, you've done too good a job at defending/extolling/praising the > > >lad!... > > > > > Actually I met Gareth at the first con I ever went to (he was the reason > > I went to it), several months before I met Judith, and several more > > months before getting a net connection. > > > > He's loverly. > > Indeed. But I don't see why Judith has to be so greedy - after all, > she can grab Gareth at Neutral Zone (while I shyly hovver near James > Morrison...) Do not forget though, that Judith will have to share Gareth at Neutral Zone as well. But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you spent all last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional Liberator handgun!! > > As for loverly people, my vote is for Janet Lees Price! I assume she > won't be there, since Paul isn't. But she's a *lovely* lady. Seconded - wholeheartedly. Someone who quite happily *shares* Paul at conventions and theatres with fans (well she does get to take him home afterwards!!). She isn`t patronising when talking to you, even though she knows, and you know she knows, that you are there (conventions or theatres) purely because you *fancy/love/lust/drool* (if they are the correct terms :-)) after her husband. Bye for now Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:53:11 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223095311.006ca3b4@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> Tramila takes her bottle of Soma and joins Vila on the Liberator couch to >> sleep the day away in idle, unfocussed activity. Can anyone join in?? Save me some!! > >I always wonder - do we prefer a character because they are like us, or >because they are different? I sometimes think I like Vila just because he >is different from me. I think we like a character because they are different from us. I would like to be more like my favourite. *Not* exactly like him, no way, but more like him. For example, with Avon and Vila, I'd love to be able come up with the put downs and one liners that they do. But it's hours later that I think of something witty. Of course the writers probably sat around for hours thinking that stuff up, so I don't feel so bad. We'd also like to be able to get away with some of the stuff the characters do (this goes for any character), but in real life, that's just not possible. Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:57:47 -0500 (EST) From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer) To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 9:53 AM 2/23/98, Jay wrote: >I think we like a character because they are different from us. Except that in every fandom I've ever been in, the characters I like best are the characters who are =most= like me. B7's no exception. I'm a diehard Vila fan, and while Vila and I have huge points of difference (like, the room party at the second Vidcon aside, I really don't drink much; other people's property is safe around me, etc.), I'm the most like Vila. This holds true in other fandoms as well; some characters are, personality-wise, near exact matches (there's one character in particular who, 99% of the time, I can write by thinking "What would =I= do?"), and some are farther off, but all in all, the characters I like are ones I feel a strong sense of identification with. -- Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:21:44 -0000 From: "Jenni-Alison" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-Id: <199802231920.UAA17583@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tramila wrote: > > > We extroverts never have a problem with this. (Did I mention that I score > > 10 to 0 in favor of the Big E.? hehehehe And you said you were scared! I'm believing Pat P from now on ;-) Actually, I'm an ENFJ, but I *only* got 9/10 on the E score. > > > > What about introverts who _fake_ being extorverts? I did that for a few > years, and can still do it when the need arises. I love being on stage, > by the way-- I'm reserved mostly 'cause I'm scared people won't like > _me_-- acting solves the problem by turning me into someone else. Any > other "I" types feel that way? My boyfriend does that, and he's an...oh I can't remember the letters, but it was the one they called "Councellor". He calls it being on stage - did you mean actual acting or acting the part of an extrovert? Avona also wrote: >I don't lust after Avon, oddly enough. I think he'd be horrible to be in >love with, because he'd always be pushing me away. Because I am >reserved, I _need_ to feel the other person is crazy about me in order >to loosen up. But I'd like to help him realize _other_ aspects of his >personality, be a person he could trust, and put some balance in that >man's extreme life. I'd love for Avon to love me! It's his single mindedness, that focus you feel he could bring to, well, sex really (blush). It's also the whole pygmalion complex - I could make him happier, I could make him trust himself and me, etc, etc, etc. And that spice of danger - a recipe for "Live fast, die young, leave a beautiful corpse" but who cares! I proudly wear the badge of A.S.S. (should the two ss stand for Sex Slave?) I love Vila, but in a completely platonic way. I'd love his company, I'm sure he would be a lech, but I don't actually have a problem with people who lech in the way he does (and I do know a few). In fact they can be fun, if you just take it as a compliment, and tease them. I think I could get very close to Vila, but the lack of lust probably prohibits me from joining the V.I.C.E. (sniff). Blake is second in the lust stakes for me - very large (to me, I'm only 5'2") protective bear of a man, he looks strong too, and he's *nice*, with far too much charisma to be left languishing in the platonic zone. Probably not devoted enough to be a B.I.T.C.H. though. Mind you, Tarrant has fantastic eyes, a great smile, sex appeal so strong you could strip paint with it, and now he's older he has a *much* nicer body (I've seen him without his shirt on last week! hee hee). hmmm Tarrant Nostra here I come. OH NO! now that's sitting on the fence with a vengance! Are they all mutually exclusive? Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:28:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Mon 23 Feb, J.M.Willmott wrote: > Kathryn Andersen wrote: > > Do not forget though, that Judith will have to share Gareth at Neutral Zone > > as > > well. > > But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you spent all > last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional Liberator handgun!! come along and share him. You know I'm only joking. (Now where did I put that gun...) Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the only convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my Liberator gun? Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations, you can only carry replica weapons (of any kind) during the fancy dress competition, and then only with permission. I'm going to check that I've read it correctly, but it does seem rather depressing. > > As for loverly people, my vote is for Janet Lees Price! I assume she > > won't be there, since Paul isn't. But she's a *lovely* lady. > > Seconded - wholeheartedly. Someone who quite happily *shares* Paul at > conventions and theatres with fans (well she does get to take him home > afterwards!!). She isn`t patronising when talking to you, even though > she knows, and you know she knows, that you are there (conventions or > theatres) purely because you *fancy/love/lust/drool* (if they are the > correct terms :-)) after her husband. Although I've never met her, I've written to her on occasion and she does come over as a very likeable person. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention 26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:31:09 EST From: ShilLance@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Space Island One Message-ID: <58f12f89.34f1ce7f@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-22 09:52:59 EST, you write: << Last week's episode of Space Island One was familiar. >> Being an ignorant American, I'm unfamiliar with Space Island One. Can anyone give me information on it, actors, plots etc., and how I can see it? Thanks, Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:36:19 EST From: ShilLance@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon vs. Blake Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 98-02-22 16:43:22 EST, you write: << That's because nobody ever dies in Trek - I am never the least bit troubled by any of the "deadly" aliens, anomolies, etc. that are tossed at the crews of these shows, for I *know* that all will be fine and continue their dreary lives, week after week, having exactly the same dull adventures. One of the best things about B7 is that they truly did different things every ep. Imagine how boring it would be if they blew up a base every show? Sorta like how dull it got to see Cally possessed every show ;) >> And now we go into another dull tirade of how bad Trek is supposed to be. Can we leave this alone? Being a Trek fan, it gets a little irritating. The series are different. They have different purposes. Sort of like comparing apples and oranges...... Gwynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:55:13 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila vs Avon in the lust stakes Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >And if grabbed me in one of those famous >> >Avon embraces... smooches to forget the future for! >> >> Apart from the taste of ash-tray :( > >But, I don't think _Avon_ the character would smoke. Too >life-threatening. He also never smokes in any episode (though we do see >him stick gum under a console). I'm not mixing the character with the >actor. I didn't try to get Paul to kiss me, due to the ash-tray factor. And I wouldn't either, even if his breath was sweeter than that of my beloved, and he wasn't approximately the same age as my father :). It's _Avon_ who gets my hormones going, and PD's not the same person. Although he does bear an uncanny physical resemblance ;). And I'd be very interested in meeting him (and the rest of the cast) if the opportunity arises. I watched Aftermath last night. Those scenes of unconcious Avon in the life pod *sigh*; those kisses *sigh*; the sniping between Dayna and Servalan *cackle* ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:19:52 -0800 From: Tramila To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Safety Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980223111952.0070bf08@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat Patera wrote: >> Harmless? HARMLESS!!! A great, lumbering brute, dirt smeared and >> horribly scarred, wild-eyed and disheveled, a known fanatic bent on mass >> destruction, found spinning webs in a hole at the center of a wasp's >> nest of cutthroats and criminals, and you call him ... >> HARMLESS?!?! Sue wrote: > HazMat technicians arrive at the Patera residence and confiscate >container of grape soda. HazMat technician reads label on side of >container. "As we suspected! Active ingredient: eye of troll." Addressing >Pat: "Ma'am, didn't you read the warning on the side? It says right here >'The Surgeon General has determined that consumption of this product may >cause dizziness, hallucinations, and distorted vision. Do not ingest >nasally.'" Tramila peels the false label that Sue placed over the grape label in order to confusual Pat. Tramila shakes her head. Yelp. She's a B.I.T.C.H. all right. Fits right into the Blake gang. Oh and BTW. I think Pat was referring not only to Space One and Blake but also to all the references made about him before the Federation got a hold of the man and scrambled his brains. >Sue, unable to locate the character Pat was decribing in my set of Blake's >7 tapes. Although Travis fits many of the particulars. Tramila removes Sue's glasses, cleans them thoroughly and puts them back on her nose. "There. Is that better Sue?" Hummmmm.... Tramila just realized that she's not lurking the way she planned to lurk and that perhaps it's not a good idea to bait the B.I.T...... I means the Blake fans. Hugs Sue. (Hope you take this in the fun that it was meant to be taken.) Tramila loves her V.I.C.E.'s. Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:44:47 -0800 From: Tramila To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980223114447.00d35424@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>I've been told that the list is full of INTJ's and INTP's but that there is >>not a huge Vila following. Could it be that the Vila fans are in the E's >>category like me? (I'm an ESFJ.) Jay wrote: >I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure >in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E. LOL. I don't know. I tested myself two years ago and was an E-SN-FJ. I guess you can change but I think perhaps it is a close, over-a-long-time process. >Although Avon is my favourite, Vila does come a close second. In fact when >I first watched the first two seasons, he was my favourite. :) >>Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila. >I'll back you up Tramila:-) Thank you. Thank you. >>>because she is truly scared.> > >I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support. Tramila takes Jay's hand as they read the list together. >Jay >100% Avon, but still with room to spare for Vila LOL. Cool. Tramila Chapter Member and Pres. of V.I.C.E. Vila's Intimately Corruptable Element ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:09:05 +1100 From: Kathryn Andersen To: "Blake's 7 list" Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Deliverence Message-ID: <19980224070905.58089@welkin.apana.org.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Feb 23, 1998 at 06:28:43PM +0000, Judith Proctor wrote: > On Mon 23 Feb, J.M.Willmott wrote: > > But I promise not to get too close, Judith, as I seem to recall you > > spent all last NZ fully armed with what appeared to be a functional > > Liberator handgun!! > > come along and share him. You know I'm only joking. > (Now where did I put that gun...) > > Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the > only convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my > Liberator gun? Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations, > you can only carry replica weapons (of any kind) during the fancy > dress competition, and then only with permission. I'm going to check > that I've read it correctly, but it does seem rather depressing. It's quite a common rule, and becoming more common. Or maybe it's just more common in U.S. conventions. I think it's more common at really big conventions, where they are more afraid of things going wrong, or more afraid of jumpy people getting upset at people walking around with weapons. It *is* depressing - I bought my Liberator handgun ages ago, and I still haven't worn it to a single convention! At least teleport bracelets aren't weapons. I considered it very ironic that there I was at a US convention (probably Worldcon) drooling over the swords in the dealers room, and realized it was pointless buying one, because I would never be able to wear it. However, I got a brilliant idea - I'm going to use the Gandalf defence this time around - a staff isn't a weapon! Kat "the barbarian" Andersen (waiting on her Cordwainer to finish her boots...) -- _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen / \ | http://connexus.apana.org.au/~kat \_.--.*/ | #include "std/disclaimer.h" v | ------------| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere Maranatha! | -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:56:56 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Meyers Test Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223125656.006c8860@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:57 PM 2/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >>I think we like a character because they are different from us. > >Except that in every fandom I've ever been in, the characters I like best >are the characters who are =most= like me. B7's no exception. I'm a diehard >Vila fan, and while Vila and I have huge points of difference (like, the >room party at the second Vidcon aside, I really don't drink much; other >people's property is safe around me, etc.), I'm the most like Vila. > >This holds true in other fandoms as well; some characters are, >personality-wise, near exact matches (there's one character in particular >who, 99% of the time, I can write by thinking "What would =I= do?"), and >some are farther off, but all in all, the characters I like are ones I feel >a strong sense of identification with. I guess with me it's opposites that attract in fandom. In real life hubby and I are nearly identical in manner, temporament, etc. So much so that at times it gets kind of boring. Which, I think is why I like my fictional characters to be different. I'd love to go off following an Avon (or even a Blake) type, if that was ever possible, but in reality I probably wouldn't and stick to the safety of my four walls and dear hubby.:-) Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:01:32 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223130132.006c759c@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:44 AM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote: >Jay wrote: >>I just went and got myself tested, turned out to be an ISTJ. But I'm sure >>in a another mood I'd be totally different, though never an E. > >LOL. I don't know. I tested myself two years ago and was an E-SN-FJ. I >guess you can change but I think perhaps it is a close, over-a-long-time >process. Maybe, I found with some of those statements I really wouldn't have acted either way, I would have done something different, but I picked the nearest one. So, for me at least, it might not be totally accurate. > >>>Oh and BTW. I am here to stand up for Vila. >>I'll back you up Tramila:-) > >Thank you. Thank you. Your welcome :-) > >>>>>because she is truly scared.> >> >>I'm venturing out of Lurkdom too, let's hold hands together for support. > >Tramila takes Jay's hand as they read the list together. Oh thankyou, I'm begining to find my way. > Jay 100% Avon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:04:17 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been completely in the dark about this Meyers-Briggs testing until today when I could read over my messages properly. This has been a busy week! Anyway, I went to take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and I'm an INFP. So I now know that I would be completely incompatible to Avon because two introverts just don't mix. This also follows up on results from Dr. Love as well! Damn! But I do like the INFP fact page, it's quite right in my opinion. I suppose now I'm going to have to scratch up the reason for my fascination with Avon purely on his body! ; \ Grace Robbins (INFP) robbins@inet-ux.graceland.edu http://www.graceland.edu/~robbins ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:17:32 -0500 (EST) From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer) To: Space City Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Zine Sale Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Due to the need to clear out at least one closet before April, I'm having to sell off some zines. Most of them are all-B7 zines, lots of gen stuff but also adult zines, and a few in other fandoms. If you want the list, e-mail me privately. Thanks. -- Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:15:20 -0600 (CST) From: "G. Robbins" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oh no, I messed up again! I meant I'm an INFJ, not an INFP!! What is wrong with me lately?! : P --Grace ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: mmoyer@mto.infi.net (Michelle Moyer) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Meyers-Briggs Testing Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 3:04 PM 2/23/98, G. Robbins wrote: >I have been completely in the dark about this Meyers-Briggs testing until >today when I could read over my messages properly. This has been a busy >week! Anyway, I went to take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and I'm an >INFP. So I now know that I would be completely incompatible to Avon >because two introverts just don't mix. Oh, I don't know about that. The S.O. and I are both introverts (she's an INFP; I'm an INFJ) and we get along perfectly well.... -- Michelle Moyer mmoyer@mto.infi.net "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:30:16 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Nicola Collie wrote: [deletia] >> Interestingly (to me anyway - I tend to bore others rigid), ... Pat P: >This reminds me of a line from the book: "INTJs like to dialogue on the >7th plane of irreality." Yes, many people find INTJs boring. (That's why >we're droning on on this list) Would you *really* want to listen to Avon >and Orac discussing Particle Physics all nite? >> I'd love to take Vila out for a beer. >Can I join the party? Sure, you can. I'll probably get so embarrased from being flirted with that I'll need someone to take the heat off while I refresh my witty-comeback dispenser. Just don't forget to buy your round 8). Does Vila like the cuddly type? I know he's a leg man (City), and I do think my ankles are my best feature ;), but the rest of me is far from svelte. Any thoughts on Avon's preferred type? If this were TheOtherList, I know what the response would be :D ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:44:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Katherin M. McArthur" To: "G. Robbins" cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Meyers-Briggs testing Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, G. Robbins wrote: > Oh no, I messed up again! I meant I'm an INFJ, not an INFP!! What is > wrong with me lately?! : P Heh. There's a collection on the net somewhere of personality type prayers. The INFJ one is "Lord, help me not to be a perfectionist. (Did I spell that correctly?)" --Katie, INFJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:44:33 +1300 From: Nicola Collie To: B7-list Subject: [B7L] Con weapon rules (was re: Deliverence) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Judith: >> Do you realise that the weapon rules at Deliverance will make it the >> only convention I've ever been to where I can't walk around with my >> Liberator gun? Ironic. According to my reading of the regulations, >> you can only carry replica weapons (of any kind) during the fancy >> dress competition, and then only with permission. I'm going to check >> that I've read it correctly, but it does seem rather depressing. Kat: >It's quite a common rule, and becoming more common. Or maybe it's >just more common in U.S. conventions. I think it's more common at >really big conventions, where they are more afraid of things going >wrong, or more afraid of jumpy people getting upset at people walking >around with weapons. Is it the _idea_ of the thing being a weapon that con organisers are worried about? I can see the point with real or close-to-real-replica swords, etc, or weapons that look like a real handgun or somesuch - there could certainly be an incident involving thoughtless behaviour with that sort of thing. As far as injuring someone, you could just as easily damage someone with a heavy book as with a Liberator handgun replica. Just curious ttfn, Nicola --- Nicola Collie Dunedin, New Zealand nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz "It just occurred to me that, as the description of a highly sophisticated technological achievement, "Avon's gadget works" seems to lack a certain style." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:09:03 -0500 (EST) From: brent@ntr.net To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon vs. Blake Message-Id: <199802232209.RAA21150@rome.ntr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pat P wrote: >That's because nobody ever dies in Trek - I am never the least bit >troubled by any of the "deadly" aliens, anomolies, etc. that are tossed >at the crews of these shows, for I *know* that all will be fine and >continue their dreary lives, week after week, having exactly the same >dull adventures. Yes, the only characters to ever die are the guest stars, crewmen with redshirts, or characters that want to be written out (in which case we know months in advance, anyway). Of the original Blake's 7 crew, only Vila and Avon remained--now that's realistic! Whereas in Trek, I'm supposed to believe that no one gets reassigned, dies, or is promoted to their own damned command. No wonder I was starved for what Blake's 7 and Babylon 5 provide, I was raised on Trek! (At this point, I would like to say that there were good episodes of Trek, BUT NOT AS MANY AS BLAKE'S 7!!!! :) >> ...going back into >> Lurker mode to contemplate life, love, and liberty. (And because I'm getting >> no writing of my own done ;) >aw, don't go! >but before you do; what are you writing? A novel. Sort of a sci-fi/horror hybrid. Of course, I haven't seemed to get all of the writing that I want to do on this list out of my system yet, so lurking will have to wait a little longer I suppose. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:32:12 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: RE: [B7L] Vila and the Myers Test Message-ID: <01BD40A7.A05B5C60@host5-99-44-52.btinternet.com> Helen wrote: >I don't lust after Avon, oddly enough. I think he'd be horrible to be in >love with, because he'd always be pushing me away. Heck, I lust after Avon but I agree he'd be horrible to be in love with. The two don't necessarily equate! Louise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:08:14 -0000 From: Louise Rutter To: "'B7 Lysator'" Subject: [B7L] Weapons at Deliverance Message-ID: <01BD40A7.A83E1940@host5-99-44-52.btinternet.com> Judith, fear not! The weapons rule at Deliverance ends with the proviso: "Of course, if in the best B7 tradition, it actually looks like a hairdryer or curling tongs, that's fine." Liberator guns will fall into this category, I feel. The intention is not to not to stop people carrying obviously fake 'ray guns', but to stop them carrying not-so-obviously-fake replicas of modern guns, which can scare the hell out of people who don't know you're at a convention in fancy dress. Louise ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:17:13 -0500 From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy) To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] TN expansion (was Vila and the Meyers Test) Message-ID: <199802232217.RAA11325@yfn.ysu.edu> Jennie wrote: >Mind you, Tarrant has fantastic eyes, a great smile, sex appeal so >strong you could strip paint with it, and now he's older he has a >*much* nicer body (I've seen him without his shirt on last week! hee >hee). hmmm Tarrant Nostra here I come. First a moment for quiet panting... Then-- Yee-ha, welcome to the fold. You've already more than earned your stripes. >OH NO! now that's sitting on the fence with a vengance! Are they all >mutually exclusive? Definitely not, at least not as far as the Tarrant Nostra is concerned. Many of our members list characters other than Tarrant as their favorite. As long as His Curliness (I love that nickname--which came from Jenni) is appreciated, we welcome you glee. Carol McCoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:17:45 -0800 From: Jay To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Vila & Myers-Briggs Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980223141745.006cbec0@succeed.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:28 AM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote: > >oh and don't forget ROTFLMAO and YKYBWTMB7W >he he > 'Scuse me if I seem dense here, but could someone let me know what YKYBWTMB7W means? Jay 100% Avon -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V98 Issue #59 *************************************