From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #243 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/243 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 243 Today's Topics: Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 [B7L] lintroverted and extroverted characters [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) [B7L] Re: Question Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Re: [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) Re: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Re: [B7L] Re: Killer still (after 700 years) Re: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) [B7L] Wanker Re: [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:57:52 -0400 From: "Huldah Beasley" To: , Subject: Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Message-ID: <005f01bee2d3$c296eb80$cb3ffea9@eight> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="----------------------------"; charset="iso-8859-1" Okay. I've never posted here before and I hope I'm doing this right. Let me know if I've done something wrong. I've been listening in on the whole mosquito conversation and it brought to mind a question I thought someone from the other side of the Pond (from America) could answer. What is a wanker. I know it's a curse word but the first time i heard it, it came from the mouth of a Scottsman who was bemoaning Englishmen in general. I assumed that it was a derogatory term for Englishman. But since then, I've heard it repeatedly used on some television show by an "Englishman" about...well...pretty much everyone. Could somebody please try to clarify for me? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:23:45 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Message-ID: <19990810022345.36928.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >What is a wanker. I know it's a curse word but the >first time i heard it, it came from the mouth of a Scottsman who was >bemoaning Englishmen in general. [snip] >Could somebody please try to clarify for me? Huldah, just think of it as a word for someone who, through spite, anger or jealousy, is being accused of hopeless self-indulgence. Anyone who wishes to explain the more hairy-palmed origins of the term may step onto the soapbox right now. Regards Joanne (filking for the JADEd, and making a hash of it as yet) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:40:41 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Message-ID: <0f7501bee30c$2da39300$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huldah asked: > What is a wanker. I know it's a curse word but the first time i heard it, it came from the mouth of a Scottsman who was bemoaning Englishmen in general. I assumed that it was a derogatory term for Englishman.< Joanne answered: >Huldah, just think of it as a word for someone who, through spite, anger or jealousy, is being accused of hopeless self-indulgence. Anyone who wishes to explain the more hairy-palmed origins of the term may step onto the soapbox right now.< Joanne's answer is perfectly and beautifully put, although there are probably people who would argue that 'wanker' and 'Englishman' are completely synonymous... ;) Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:57:40 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Message-ID: <005601bee311$0a9775c0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Huldah, I liked your post, and please keep on posting to the list. This was one of the funniest and most charming things I have read for ages. >it came from the mouth of a Scotsman who was >bemoaning Englishmen in general LOL >I assumed that it was a derogatory term >for Englishman. ROFL >I've heard it repeatedly used on some >television show by an "Englishman" about...well...pretty much everyone. ROFLMAO Lovely. 'Wank' means masturbate by the way. I was amused when I was in Canada to be told in all innocence about a local radio station called W.A.N.X. I tend to think that 'Wanker' BTW has the implication of being a bit useless (rather than self-indulgent, which would be more logical I guess). Useless and oblivious of your own uselessness. Anyway thanks for the post Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:15:05 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] lintroverted and extroverted characters Message-ID: <005701bee311$0e7bdbe0$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I am back for a short while from holiday, and while I was away I was thinking a lot about the differences between introverts and extroverts. I'm going to try and write a bit about the things I was thinking of that relate to B7, partly because it is a bit quiet on this list. But have no fear, I will not use the dreaded four-letter MBTI codes at any point. My thoughts were sparked off by taking 'Gifts Differing' on my hols to read. I would recommend it to anyone with an interest in personality. It was written by Isabelle Myers when she was an old woman, and it is very sharp. Anyway she uses this analogy. Everyone has personal strengths that they have favoured as they grow up, it might be their intellect, or their practical ability, or whatever. As they grow older this becomes like a 'general', shaping the way they live. In an extroverted person the 'general' is like Alexander, or Henry V. They have aides and advisors, but they brush them aside and go out into battle for themselves. Brave or reckless depending on your point of view. Anyway that's me, the extrovert. In an introverted person the 'general' sits in his tent, like Julius Caeser. They send an aide (like Mark Anthony) out to talk to people and perform in public. In other words, this is not a WYSIWYG interface :-) Right, this is getting long. So I'll split it up. Next post is about how all this gives me new ideas about Vila and Soolin. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:28:06 +0100 From: "Alison Page" To: "lysator" Subject: [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) Message-ID: <006a01bee312$d32fe340$ca8edec2@pre-installedco> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, Vila is an extroverted character, and Soolin is an introverted character (I think most people would agree with me so far anyway). They both relate to the world primarily through their technical and practical skills: lockpicking and shooting. But for Vila, as an extrovert, his engagement with the physical world is his strongest trait. It is much stronger than his judgement of what is wise or kind or brave. He has the ability to make these judgements, but they are usually over-ruled by his sensuality. In other words sensuality is the 'general' and judgement is an aide which is easily brushed aside. For Soolin, as an introvert, her private judgement is actually her strongest trait. Her practical ability (to shoot and kill) is well developed, but it is always kept in control. Her private judgements of what is sensible are stronger than her engagement with the physical world. Rationality is the 'general' in the tent, and her practical skills are under tight control by this general. The advantages for Soolin are obvious - she is much more controlled than Vila, much tougher. But there are advantages for Vila too. Compared to him Soolin is cold, unengaged with the world. She never enjoys herself as much as Vila does. Conclusion - they could make a good couple IMHO. She could teach him some self control, and he could teach her to lighten up a bit. However I doubt they would ever recognise each others' sterling qualities. I've also got a few thoughts on Avon and Servalan along the same lines, but I'm going out now to have some fun. Might post tomorrow. Alison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:05:19 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Question Message-ID: <199908100905_MC2-807C-E5B7@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Calle wrote: >Did they have rats and spiders and such on the Liberator, do you think? Cockroaches. I remember reading an article which argued that the real, though unwitting, purpose of the space programme was to enable cockroaches to colonise the galaxy. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:04:07 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: Re: [B7L] Rewriting the Canon Message-ID: <199908100904_MC2-807C-E5A6@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Neil wrote: >One example for me is Ven Glynd's reference to two years > (since he last saw Blake) in Voice - this is too short a >period for me, I would rather have 4-5 years. Some time later, Mellanby told Avon he'd been hearing about Blake and the Liberator "for the last couple of years". We know that stories about Blake were spreading by the time of S-L-D, and that Mellanby monitored news. Of course, the dating argument I've just tried to produce out of Mellanby on the other list assumed that he tended to underestimate time, so you can argue that he was a bit vague about when he first heard of Blake... Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:05:08 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Message-ID: <199908100905_MC2-807C-E5B2@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit nrice wrote: >Orbit - why wasn't Servalan worried that the parallel >telly physics planet destroyer thingy was still on board > the shuttle and therefore a massive threat to the Federation? Maybe Egrorian had pulled the same trick on Avon as Avon had on him, and given him a fake tachyon funnel, while keeping the real thing. If they'd had the proper one on the shuttle, couldn't they have threatened to blow up Malodaar? Or did they not have a suitable plug for it? Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:29:03 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) Message-ID: <105a01bee334$5b297240$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alison wrote: > I've also got a few thoughts on Avon and Servalan along the same lines, but > I'm going out now to have some fun. Might post tomorrow. Damned extraverts. More please! Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:42:42 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Message-ID: <107801bee336$3aec81f0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > nrice wrote: > >Orbit - why wasn't Servalan worried that the parallel > >telly physics planet destroyer thingy was still on board > > the shuttle and therefore a massive threat to the Federation? > > Maybe Egrorian had pulled the same trick on Avon as Avon had on him, and > given him a fake tachyon funnel, while keeping the real thing. If they'd > had the proper one on the shuttle, couldn't they have threatened to blow up > Malodaar? Or did they not have a suitable plug for it? Hehehe... 'Goddamn AA batteries!!' Una ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:07:43 -0700 From: Catharine Roussel To: Lysator B7 list Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #242 Message-ID: <37B04E4F.3B90@telusplanet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Very delicately put, Joanne! Alison, thanks for morning grin, but I'm afraid you were listening to an eastern US station since the call letters began with 'W'. All Canadian call letters begin in 'C'. (Now there is a piece of trivia with which to amaze and amuse your friends.) Catharine -- Catharine Roussel croussel@telusplanet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:32:10 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Killer still (after 700 years) Message-ID: <000201bee359$67802b40$28428cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nrice wrote: I've no problem with that concept (eg the Ice Crystals mentioned in Project Avalon, mined by the Federation for use in heavy duty lasers.) What bugs me is the way raw natural crystals are just picked up off the ground. I would expect crystals in high-tech equipment to need a bit of cutting and shaping first. Also industrially manufactured ones would probably be a better bet than natural ones, since they would lack impurities, could be grown to specification etc. The problem isn't so much semantics as shallow consideration of the practicalities. My personal gripe in the latter case is with the concept of the Terran Ague, touted in Killer as a natural phenomenon. Alien designer plagues are a lot easier to swallow. As for teleportation and ftl travel, these are props to facilitate the concept of the series, and as such they are intrinsic to the series' function. Other, one-off, high-tech widgets are not integral in that way, therefore they need to be considered more carefully. Replying to Hellen: I too overlooked a few viral fundamentals (too busy mugging up on the structure of the nucleolus...), and Holmes does make the behaviour of the alien virus sound unique rather than generic. About 11 light years from Earth, whereas Fosforon was anything up to 3000 light years away. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 19:38:55 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Orbit (was Killer) Message-ID: <002401bee35f$9af07240$2d4a95c1@orac> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> >Maybe Egrorian had pulled the same trick on Avon as Avon >had on him, and given him a fake tachyon funnel, while >keeping the real thing. If they'd had the proper one on the >shuttle, couldn't they have threatened to blow up >Malodaar? Or did they not have a suitable plug for it? > It probably didn't come with a user manual because the context-sensitive help was supposed to tell you everything you needed to know, but didn't, and in the heat of the moment they wouldn't have time to work through the on-line tutorial to find out how to set it up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:21:03 +0100 From: "Mark Johnson" To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: [B7L] Wanker Message-ID: <022101bee377$752190e0$5647883e@pbn-computer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CF_01BEE37E.A214A900" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CF_01BEE37E.A214A900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not complaining at all, just curious. 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I'm not complaining at all, just = curious. What=20 exactly does the word 'wanker' have to do with Blakes 7.
 
------=_NextPart_000_01CF_01BEE37E.A214A900-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:29:23 EDT From: AdamWho@aol.com To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Vila and Soolin (i and e 2) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-08-10 05:30:19 EDT, alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk writes: << The advantages for Soolin are obvious - she is much more controlled than Vila, much tougher. But there are advantages for Vila too. Compared to him Soolin is cold, unengaged with the world. She never enjoys herself as much as Vila does. Conclusion - they could make a good couple IMHO. She could teach him some self control, and he could teach her to lighten up a bit. However I doubt they would ever recognise each others' sterling qualities. >> I wouldn't agree, if I hadn't seen Headhunter. They worked well together in Headhunter. I think Vila makes a better couple with introverted females (Cally, Soolin) than he would with some of the extroverted females (Dayna). Vila and Dayna (or Vila and Jenna) are relationships that could be fun for a few days, but quickly ignite into disagreement and constant argument. -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #243 **************************************