From: blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se Subject: blakes7-d Digest V99 #275 X-Loop: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/volume99/275 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se Reply-To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 275 Today's Topics: Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot [B7L] Cult TV pix Re: [B7L] quoting Re: [B7L] A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French... [B7L] Last call, frame capture nominations [B7L] Blake's 7: The Movie/ Last Episode [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Re: [B7L] quoting [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation [B7L] Re: A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French... [B7L]The B7 Movie [B7L] Mornington Crescent Re: [B7L] quoting Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot Re: [B7L] Re: Mornington Crescent Re [B7L] Animals Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:23:26 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII On Tue 21 Sep, Loulou Harris wrote: > (Obviously there are exceptions, and the PGP is a popular choice of > subgenre, but most PGPs are set soon after "Blake". In fact, I'd be > interested to hear of the best stories set way in the future.) 'The Last Best Hope' starts with Blake as president. (though the story does have some roots in the past.) 'Nova' starts immediately PGP, but uses the gravitational field of a black hole to move about ten years forward later on in the novel. 'Touching Life' which will be in the next issue of 'Fire and Ice' is set about 15 years after Gauda Prime when Avon is about to become co-ruler of the Federation. > > What we need as the trigger to really start writing stories set > further in the future, could be a canonical episode set in that time. > Then we don't need to concentrate more on the 'how they all got out > of that' - but on all the character development etc which is what > interests most of us anyway. 'The Last Best Hope' actually had a one-para introduction by the editor (me) to explain how they escaped Gauda Prime just in case anyone was bothered . It wasn't necessary to the novel to bother explaining in any more detail. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:17:41 +0100 From: Steve Rogerson To: Lysator , Freedom City Subject: [B7L] Cult TV pix Message-ID: <37E7E7E4.6884C501@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pictures from Cult TV are now up on my web site. -- cheers Steve Rogerson http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson Be inconsistent, but not all the time ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:09:18 +0100 From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] quoting Message-ID: <000001bf0475$ca904340$d8d8ac3e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Picking on you in public, because it's been a while since the last >victim, and I'd like it to be a while until the next one: > >Please don't quote upside down, and please snip irrelevant material in >the post you're replying to. It makes it ever so much easier for >everyone else to read your posts, even if Outlook Express encourages you >to do otherwise. I'll try. >-- >Julia Jones Andrew p.s. is this OK ? p.p.s. How can you tell ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:28:33 EST From: "Joanne MacQueen" To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French... Message-ID: <19990921222833.20512.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: "Sally Manton" >And if she has to repeat it *until* Jarriere gets the idea, we could be >here till post-Gauda-Prime-time... I had wondered if I'd laid the idea of the character being thicker than a pallet-load of of short planks on a little too enthusiastically. One does need to be careful when wielding trowels Regards Joanne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:34:01 -0500 From: Lisa Williams To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: [B7L] Last call, frame capture nominations Message-Id: <4.1.19990921173041.036de1c0@mail.dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If anyone would like to vote on the next set of additions to the frame capture library, and hasn't yet, please get your nominations of up to five episodes to me before the weekend. (Send to me offlist at .) At the moment there are three clear front-runners, and half a dozen tied for the remaining two slots. Ties in the final count will be resolved by personal whim. (Mine.) - Lisa -- _____________________________________________________________ Lisa Williams: lcw@dallas.net or lwilliams@raytheon.com Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/ From Eroica With Love: http://eroica.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:55:56 +0100 From: "DJ Mark" To: "blakes7 mailing list" Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7: The Movie/ Last Episode Message-ID: <002001bf0484$782ef240$df4c883e@pbn-computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have always thought that maybe some reinforcements arrived at the last minute, and that was the gunfire we heard over the beginning of the credits. I think Avon survived, and probably some of the others were just injured. I would imagine Dayna died, her injury looked serious. As for Cally, we never saw her body, and no one went back down to check. So it's possible she isn't dead, the same can be said for Jenna. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:14:37 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Message-ID: <37E865BD.3ACF@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew, as far as 'house rules' as far as treating other list-members go... I would bear in mind that we all actually *like* those snappish, bickering characters on the series. So, there tends to be a fair amount of banter here that may sound outrageously egotistical, or obnoxious, until you take into account that it is practically all tongue in cheek. The only time there was anything close to a genuine flamefest here was when someone I will refer to now only as 'Ben Steed II' began posting very, very reactionary views on the place of women. And there was not much humous in the replies he got, except, as I recall, for the one involving Servalan and a tank of pirahna. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:28:19 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Message-ID: <37E868F3.5188@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, Una. The amount of drugs needed to get her disoriented and *keep* her disoriented (because unless you *do* build a background, when the drugs are no longer affecting her obvious behavior, she will begin to remember *who* she hates) would leave her unable to carry out much in the way of intelligent behavior. And she not only has the conditioned hate for her former love, but actually is in control of herself enough to surpress the desire to kill him before asking the questions she is supposed to. Or do I remember incorrectly? A few hours is enough to get someone to give in to the current pain and confusion and give information. But I doubt it is enough to get someone to rewrite their alligiences, even with Federation technology. And speaking of Federation techniques, what we saw being used on Dayna wouldn't be enough to convince me to kick a cat. The disorienting sonic impulses being used on Blake in Horizon at least intriguing in terms of futuristic means of reaching the mind. Travis's questioning of Cally was very well done. But Dayna's conditioning scene? PPPPPbbbbbllllllllttttttt! Now that I have astounded you with the elegance of my final arguement (I can't believe I wrote that), I will allow that if we *pretend* that there was a *convincing* means of brainwashing used on Dayna, the epsiode may not have been that bad. But then, if we *pretend* Paul Darrow doesn't say things about Avon in interviews that make it sound like he was playing in a different series than the one we watched, he's the perfect advisor for the movie. Curmundgeonly yours, Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:29:17 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Message-ID: <37E8692C.1B5C@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Rob, I *liked* Ultraworld. Though I would have liked it better if they *had* switched the brains. --Avona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:38:41 -0700 From: Helen Krummenacker To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Message-ID: <37E86B61.5EA9@jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool! I'm glad to hear that the B7 movie will have the UKcentric feel. Yes, it will be a bonus for marketing it in America. England is a source of fascination for many Americans, and we dig the accents. I'm also glad to hear about the CGI/model mix. My husband is an artist, and therefore, presumably has an eye for detail. We both thought Phantom Menace relied way too much on CGI. It is too smooth, too clean, to cool. Life is messy. Despite my joke in my last post, I think it's great that Paul is on the project. I have always had a secret hope that the reason he mis-describes Avon is that the character has sunk so muchinto his subconscious that Avon's defense mechanisms refuse to let him describe Avon's nobler character traits. After All, Avon always refused to acknowlege them, why should his actor? I'd love to see Michael Keating reappear in B7. When I saw him in 1991, he looked *better* than he did in the original show. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 07:17:24 +0200 From: Calle Dybedahl To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V99 #274 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >>>>> "Helen" == Helen Krummenacker writes: > We both thought Phantom Menace relied way too much on CGI. It is too > smooth, too clean, to cool. Life is messy. Have you seen Lexx? It uses *lots* of CGI, but "too clean" still isn't exactly the first thing that springs to mind when you see it. -- Calle Dybedahl, Vasav. 82, S-177 52 Jaerfaella,SWEDEN | calle@lysator.liu.se Please pay no attention to the panda in the fridge. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:37:42 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] quoting Message-ID: <00c901bf04ce$2aeb6ff0$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew wrote: > p.s. is this OK ? Perfect. Una ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:16:29 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation Message-ID: <199909220816_MC2-85D2-2D44@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Una wrote: >But then I like the Ferengi episodes in DS9, so you >can dismiss my opinion out of hand, quite frankly. Count me in; I fancy Quark. Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:16:35 -0400 From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" Subject: [B7L] Re: A bit of silliness, so please excuse the French... Message-ID: <199909220817_MC2-85D2-2D48@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Oh Joanne, thank you so much! (OK, Sally, you can put the crowbar away for now.) Harriet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 13:51:12 +0100 From: "Julie Horner" To: "Lysator" Subject: [B7L]The B7 Movie Message-ID: <004a01bf04f9$2995bc70$170201c0@pc23.Fishnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Judith said: >It has not yet been decided who will do the SFX, but >a mixture of CGI and model work is intended at this >stage. (Andrew has recently been working on 'Walking >with Dinosaurs' which involves masses of animation >and he says looks really good.) I saw a preview for this the other night and it really does look impressive. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 08:18:07 +0100 (BST) From: Judith Proctor To: Lysator List Subject: [B7L] Mornington Crescent Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII It came to me in a flash of inspiration last night while I was struggling with back pain to try and write up my con notes. I just have to play a Gan sacrifice. This allows me to move into Earth orbit and thus - "I've done it!" I've won. Judith -- http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs, pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight ) Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:53:24 +0100 From: Julia Jones To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Subject: Re: [B7L] quoting Message-ID: In message <000001bf0475$ca904340$d8d8ac3e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk>, Andrew Ellis writes >p.s. is this OK ? Much better - thanks:-) >p.p.s. How can you tell ? What your software is, I presume? Well, if one sees upside down quoting and lack of snipping one tends to assume OE, for good reason. But I checked the headers in your post - one of the headers gives the software used. Since I don't use OE, I've no idea how to make it display full headers - if indeed, it *can* display full headers. If I cut and paste the full headers from your email, you can see just how much information there is. One of those lines tells me you're using X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Any more discussion of this should really go to the spin list, unless people want to speculate on how much cracking Avon could do with this sort of info. Calle, I see Lysator's machine has a very appropriate name, given one of the current threads:-) Return-Path: Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.34]) by jajones.demon.co.uk with SMTP id for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:09:51 +0100 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk id 937950162:10:08043:5; Tue, 21 Sep 99 21:42:42 GMT Received: from samantha.lysator.liu.se ([130.236.254.202]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103759; 21 Sep 99 21:42 GMT Received: (from list@localhost) by samantha.lysator.liu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23251; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:14:00 +0200 (MET DST) Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:14:00 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: samantha.lysator.liu.se: list set sender to blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se using -f Message-ID: <000001bf0475$ca904340$d8d8ac3e@leanet.futures.bt.co.uk> From: "Andrew Ellis" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] quoting Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:09:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"nvFmh.A.QrF.WU_53"@samantha.lysator.liu.se> Resent-From: blakes7@lysator.liu.se X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/20887 X-Loop: blakes7@lysator.liu.se Precedence: list Resent-Sender: blakes7-request@lysator.liu.se -- Julia Jones "Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!" The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:33:52 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 movie plot Message-ID: <000b01bf052c$407e9280$47468cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pita wrote: I don't think it's a taboo, it's just that most fan writers simply aren't interested in moving that far forward in time. The aim of most fanfic is the fond re-creation of the series as the writer feels it should have been. But in many cases the characters and set-up are the end, and the plot is simply a means to that end. Not the other way round. <(Obviously there are exceptions, and the PGP is a popular choice of subgenre, but most PGPs are set soon after "Blake". In fact, I'd be interested to hear of the best stories set way in the future.)> There was a decent next-gen in one of the later Gambits, and Russ Massey did two thirds of a trilogy in the Horizon zines. (Did you ever write that third part, Russ?) The Vila/Servalan team-up was amusing. I wouldn't classify any of the other three as 'good stuff'. Eh bien, chacun a son goute... And just think what we're more likely to end up with instead... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:23:09 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Mornington Crescent Message-ID: <000a01bf052c$3b214800$47468cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Una wrote: >Curses! Neil and I were so busy pawing the ground I didn't spot you! > >I retire defeated. Is that really the best you can do, McCormack. I'm retracting ALL my moves as a violation of the Stock Equalisation Act, and then I'm setting the controls for Cygnus XL. Pah. Amateurs... Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:44:54 +0100 From: "Neil Faulkner" To: "lysator" Subject: Re [B7L] Animals Message-ID: <000c01bf052c$41c6a2e0$47468cd4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Had a peek at Una's site. Nice try if nothing else:) I think the problem with Animals is that it just doesn't have much of worth to redeem all the turgid stuff. There are a few bits that are pretty bad (like Og, and Servalan's 'They have the Animal. They HAVE him.') but Una's right in that any specific criticism can be matched by something equally lame or worse elsewhere in the series. Animals amounts to an avalanche of lameness with nothing to counterbalance it. The soapbox angle (on the ethics of animal experimentation) is marginalised to the point of non-existence and placed within the parameters of a relationship that nobody really cares about in the first place. Any plot left over is so thin and stuffed with obvious padding (eg Vila mucking about in the ballast tanks) that it all crawls along at a pace the average slug could leave standing. Animals is not so much a turkey as a flavourless chicken with soggy cardboard replacing the Paxo. There are worse episodes. I want to know why Una didn't list Dawn of the Gods as one of them. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:55:03 +0100 From: "Una McCormack" To: Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals Appreciation Message-ID: <001a01bf0534$7a0b1c50$0d01a8c0@hedge> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harriet wrote: > Una wrote: > >But then I like the Ferengi episodes in DS9, so you > >can dismiss my opinion out of hand, quite frankly. > > Count me in; I fancy Quark. And the episodes are really, really funny... Una -------------------------------- End of blakes7-d Digest V99 Issue #275 **************************************