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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 302
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re: squash ladder
Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Squash ladder.
Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
[B7L] The system
Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
Re: [B7L] Squash ladder.
Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
Re: [B7L] Squash ladder.
[B7L] squash ladder
Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
[B7L] Sales figures for the tapes
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:28:27 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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Una wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>
>> Apart from seconding Una's proposal to put Animals above Blake
>
>What are you after, Rogerson?
I'd like to remind you that I was the first to start moving Animals up
this list. It was the site of Animals starting so close to the top and
realising there was an opportunity for David Boyce's character acting
the get the recognition it truly deserves.
Besides, Animals gave me the inspiration for that now infamous story of
mine "A Cockpit Tale" in the Tales from Space City zine :-)
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
Be inconsistent, but not all the time
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:05:22 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Minor inconsistencies.
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Andrew wrote:
>I don't know about logarithms, but Newton needed calculus to do gravity,
was
>not aware of anybody else's work and so had to develop it himself. (or so
>the story goes).
Since I'm outnumbered three to one I'll bow to the majority. Not that I
looked it up or anything, I just thought it was logs rather than calculus
(which I've never been able to get my head round anyway).
>and Neil said
>>
>>The System, OTOH, has been estranged from the rest of humanity for quite
>>some period of time (probably nearer centuries rather than decades?)
>
>possibly centuries, that fits the Earth origin view better, but only a few
>since we know from Killer that 400 years ago we had slower than light
>travel.
Seven hundred, actually <rapidly reclaiming the high ground of certainty:)>
Neil
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:00:11 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Una wrote:
>I'd advise being a bloody hedgehog next time you see me, Neil.
The all-frog diet doesn't agree with you then?
Neil
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:34:11 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Squash ladder.
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Sorry reasoned arguments, you lost.
Una, I take it that its round to your house for copious quantities of
champagne.
Animals
Blake
Space Fall
Time Squad
Power Play
Trial
Duel
Killer
Sarcophagus
Weapon
Power
The Way back
Volcano
The City at the Edge of the World
Star One
The Web
The Keeper
Gold
Orbit
Sand
Ultraworld
Terminal
Games
Stardrive
Assassin
Dawn of the Gods
Aftermath
Headhunter
Mission to Destiny
The Harvest of Kairos
Rescue
Shadow
Children of Auron
Death Watch
Bounty
Rumours of Death
Project Avalon
Breakdown
Seek Locate Destroy
Horizon
Warlord
Deliverance
Pressure Point
Orac
Hostage
Redemption
Voice from the Past
Countdown
Gambit
Cygnus Alpha
Moloch
Traitor
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:30:37 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash Ladder
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Sally said,
>The Way Back over Power. Does *anyone* want to argue about this???
>
OK then...
The technology of TWB is just SO inconsistent with the rest of the series.
When the crew revisit Earth later in the series there is no sign of domes
etc. Pursuit ships leaving Earth catch up with the liberator which can cross
the galaxy in orders of magnitude less than 6 months.
Blake goes from a pliable docile chap who is drawn into an illegal act of
leaving the dome into a highly intelligent, politically aware legal animal
who "will make no defence" and insists on making his statement in court.
Vila is a proper, highly competent, worldly wise thief, not just a butt for
Avons jokes who can open a few locks. So characterisation is inconsistent.
There is no Avon. (for some people this is more than enough !)
But mainly, if I ever lend video's out to people who vaguely remember the
series, I never feel that this episode will remind them of why they liked
the series when they were kids. OK so there is good background info in there
as to why the Federation is bad, but you can pick that up without watching
this episode. After seeing TWB first time around, I wasn't staying around
after TOTP to see what happened next, that came later when the "better"
episodes came along.
Power on the other hand is an excellent illustration of Avon and Orac
manipulating everybody to their own ends, taking calculated risks in order
to restore an advantage they had lost etc. Has an rather obvious Cally
replacement introduced and removed from the plot (and I don't comment on if
this is good or bad). Establishes the crew as striving to protect themselves
from the crew Galaxy rather than rail against it. It has interlinked plots
and sub plots, colourful non drugged characters, a host of rather obviously
communicated moral issues. A good fight scene for Dayna. Clear signs of
Tarrant's poor judge of character, I could go on for ages.
Please note that none of the above necessarily represents the views of the
author, its just that Sally asked !
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 23:07:01 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] The system
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>> Judith Said .....
>>
>> <I always assume the System to be of Earth origin too. There's several
good
>> reasons to believe it.>
The I said
>> Care to elaborate ?
Judith did and I'd just like to say thanks, very enlightening.
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:46:16 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Fandom... online vs in person
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Neil asked:
> Una wrote:
> >I'd advise being a bloody hedgehog next time you see me, Neil.
>
> The all-frog diet doesn't agree with you then?
I've been supplementing it with toad-in-the-hole.
Una
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 18:07:14 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash ladder.
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Andrew wrote:
<Sorry reasoned arguments, you lost.
<Una, I take it that its round to your house for
copious quantities of champagne.
<Animals
<Blake...
Careful, Andrew. Your sentiment is showing.
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:37:38 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
Message-ID: <19991023.213810.10262.0.Rilliara@juno.com>
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:45:57 -0700 Julia Jones
<Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
>Can't remember if _Ishmael_ was one of the ones with covert references
>to B7 in particular, just that it demonstrated that the author had
>encountered SF as well as ST.
>--
Didn't catch any to B7 but, off the top of my head, the Doctor shows up
(incarnations #4 and #2), probably Romana, another companion, Han Solo
gets into bar fight with Starbuck and Apollo, and there's an appearance
of the rarely seen Hokas (now, there's an idea for a scary crossover.
Imagine good natured teddy bears who adopt any story roles they hear to
the point of psychosis [their planet is inhabited by Napoleon, Sherlock
Holmes, King Arthur, cowboys, and more] meeting up with Avon [especially
if you've ever read the story where they decided to draft a human as head
of the Space Patrol. No matter what he did, they went on about his heart
of gold. It makes Meegat into a nasty cynic]).
For nonSF, Little Joe and Hoss get into a fight with Maverick. I'm also
fairly sure the chess guy was somebody, but I don't know who.
Ellynne
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:17:44 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Squash ladder.
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Andrew wrote:
> Sorry reasoned arguments, you lost.
>
> Una, I take it that its round to your house for copious quantities of
> champagne.
>
> Animals
> Blake
Yes! Well, there's plenty of grapefruit juice, anyway.
Una
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:28:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] squash ladder
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If Una can do it for 'Animals'... <grin>
I propose that the Web should overtake Star One on the grounds that the decimas
looked a sight more realistic than the Andromedans.
Give me walking salad bowls over multi-coloured plastic goo on the floor any
day.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7 - Fanzines for Blake's 7, B7 Filk songs,
pictures, news, Conventions past and present, Blake's 7 fan clubs, Gareth
Thomas, etc. (also non-Blake's 7 zines at http://www.nas.com/~lknight )
Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:23:21 -0400
From: Susan Beth <susanbeth33@mindspring.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] avatars and suchlike
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Ellynne G. wrote:
>
>For nonSF, Little Joe and Hoss get into a fight with Maverick. I'm also
>fairly sure the chess guy was somebody, but I don't know who.
Paladin, from "Have Gun, Will Travel" I've been told. (Never saw the show
myself, so I can't say for sure.)
This thread is reminding me that I've been meaning to clear out my ST
books. I have all the pronovels from #1 through the first ten or 15 years,
first editions all. Yes, including the Della van Hise one....it ain't at
all shocking, btw, especially in the light of the fooraw made over it.
IMHO, the "Phoenix" books are much more blatantly K/Sish, and "Pawns and
Symbols" does one of the most commom K/S tropes (the two are captured by an
evil someone, and each ends up offering to submit to the evil one's nasty
carnal desires to "save" the other) but by replacing K and S with female
standins.
Susan Beth
(susanbeth33@mindspring.com)
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:59:42 -0500
From: "Reuben Herfindahl" <reuben@reuben.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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>From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
>To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
>Date: Fri, Oct 22, 1999, 1:19 PM
>
> In message <16D5E9ABE65ED311A6DA00A0C9DD630D0133C3@STPNT4>, Reuben
> Herfindahl <rherf@tursso.com> writes
>>>Finally acquired a copy of John M Ford's "How Much For Just The Planet?"
>>>
>>>How the hell did he get away with *that*?
>>
>>It's been a long time. What's the avatar reference in it?
>
> Amongst other things (some of which I'm sure I missed because I was too
> spaced out on fatigue to cope with a *serious* book), that's the first
> time I've seen a Meegat avatar. Sort of.
>
> I managed to buy the book second-hand, having been looking for it on and
> off for a year or so. There is this enormous second-hand bookshop about
> ten minutes walk from here, which I hit every time I come to California.
> Combination avatar hunt and looking for old classics. Lots and lots of
> out-of-print books, and lots and lots that were never readily available
> in the UK. There was also a UK edition of Banks' Inversion, obviously
> bought by someone to read on the plane. I've just bought it to read on
> the way home, so it wil be a very well travelled book. I've already
> bought more books than I really have room for in the suitcase, so I
> suppose other half is going to be complaining again about me littering
> the house with my books.
> --
> Julia Jones
Ohh, no wonder I didn't catch it. I managed to pick up an old book club
edition of it in hardcover last year, and haven't gotten around to
re-reading it. When I was growing up it was one of my favorite Trek books.
I must of re-read it a dozen times.
Reuben
http://www.reuben.net/blake/
reuben@reuben.net
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:18:53 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avatars away!
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In message <02cf01bf1d2a$383591d0$0d01a8c0@hedge>, Una McCormack <una@q-
research.connectfree.co.uk> writes
>Curses! I should have asked you to look out for the only Barbara Paul /
>Holland book I'm missing! As if there'd be room in your suitcase for it!
>('Just a tiny one, waffer thin...')
Which one? They've several, both sf and mystery, even after my raid:-)
Good King Saurkraut has also just gone back into print, as the first
book by a new print-on-demand publisher.
Anyone else want me to go book shopping (or zine shopping)? I've just
bought a second suitcase, although I still have to check that the pair
together will fall under the US luggage allowance.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:12:59 -0700
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: squash ladder
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In message <38120C5A.E5343D8F@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>, Steve Rogerson
<steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> writes
>Besides, Animals gave me the inspiration for that now infamous story of
>mine "A Cockpit Tale" in the Tales from Space City zine :-)
We will note that of your contributions to the Space City zine, that was
not the one nominated (deservedly) for a STIFfie.
--
Julia Jones
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:37:03 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Sales figures for the tapes
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Una quoted sales figures:
>The Sevenfold Crown: 12,000
>The Syndeton Experiment: 3,500
Crown was tape, Experiment was CD, wasn't it? Of course, it might just
have been that listeners were disappointed by the first play so didn't
bother with the second, but I vaguely assumed the medium made a difference
(I only gave in and got a CD player this year).
Harriet
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