From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Sun Jul 7 07:29:37 1996 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:26:41 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #43 tariqas-digest Tuesday, 2 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 043 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Oudghiri Houria Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Sufi Films Salam, I know about two movies. The first one is a sufi one but the second is very related to sufism according to me. 1. One about Rabia Al-Adawiya, his life and thoughts. It is an egyptian movie and I don't know if it exists with subtitles. 2. Another one is "Johnathan Levingston the seagull" which is a very good film about spiritual evolution. > From tariqas-approval@europe.std.com Mon Jul 1 13:18:32 1996 > X-Authentication-Warning: europe.std.com: daemon set sender to tariqas-approval using -f > From: informe@best.com > Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:03:33 -0700 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > To: tariqas@world.std.com > Subject: Sufi Films > Sender: tariqas-approval@world.std.com > Reply-To: tariqas@europe.std.com > Content-Length: 887 > > Salaams, > > If you can help out Sister Esther, you can email her at Esther.Pacitti@inria.fr. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:51:26 +0200 (MET DST) > >To: informe@best.com > >Subject: sufism films>Hi friends, > > > >I'am searching for some film about the sufism. > >If you know of an produced film could you please let me know. > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >Esther > > As-salaamu alaikum, Sister Esther, > > As far as commercial films go, the only one that comes to mind is _Meetings > With Remarkable Men_, which stars Terence Stamp and was filmed in Europe > and Central Asia. It is based on the book of the same name by the late > George Gurdjieff. > > The Naqshbandi Haqqani organization has some videotapes of Shaykh Nazim > al-Qubbrusi. You can get descriptions of these tapes at > http://linex.com/~purehart/haqvid.html. > > Salaams, > > Hamza > > > ------------------------------ From: Keeper of the Dragon Flagon Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 12:08:34 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI >Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 08:00:18 -0700 >From: Frank Gaude > >Gas atoms chilled to near absolute zero, i.e., most of the energy removed, >behave as a unit, without individual movement. Also known as a superliquid. Helium does some really bizarre things at these temperatures. Almost as if it takes on a life of it's own, which makes this analogy even stronger. >We thus see the analogy of water turned into ice, fluid into a solid, just >as a water droplet is compared to the ocean. Even further, when atoms and molecules change their energy, so that the macroscopic chemical undergoes a change from solid to liquid, liquid to gas, etc., we call this a phase transition. This change can be sudden and not completely linear (i.e., a heating liquid suddenly achieves a state of sudden turbulence and very non-linear characteristics when it begins to boil -- it has hit this phase transition). This is like that sudden achievemant of gnosis that explodes inside you, elevating your mind into a different state of awareness -- a phase transtion, one that is 'non-linear' by nature, and no longer definable by logical tools of analysis. >When we remove much of the heat of individual ego-personality, humanity >acts more as a unit, with one "personality" for the "good" of all as >co-inhabitants of the planet, of the universe. And yet, the individual atoms are still there, and still detectable. They have not lost their individual existance, but all of these atoms together create a new 'life' with new charactertistics and qualities. EVERY man and woman is a star, and likewise, every man and woman is A star! >Any comments, anybody? You know when you mix physics and mediation, you've got my attention! Physics makes such wonderful mystical allegories. - --------------------------------------- Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn ------------------------------ From: Keeper of the Dragon Flagon Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 12:34:26 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI >Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:49:00 -0400 >From: ASHA101@aol.com > sounds horribly boring, unless i don't get the concept. Persaonally i like >highly developed ego-personalities with much activity (i.e. heat), makes >things very fluid. Then things act like one ocean rather than one block of >ice. It kind of boils down to that old controversy, whether the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, or vice versa. Luckily, it isn't a duality where one must choose from or the either, but they are complements of each other, like up and down, silence and sound. and so on. A galaxy can be studied an analyzed as a single structure slowly rotating its way through the Universe. Yet, we can also go inside the galaxy and plot the motions of each individual star within the galaxy, as well as its motion in relation to other galaxies far, far away. > Which is to say that, for me, oneness is achieved by setting you (and me) >free. It allways seems to me extreemly humerous but it seems to me that >whenever Pir Vilayat wants to bring up the subject of organizing the >organization, he allways starts with, "Imagne you are free..." Freedom is a two-edged sword. But with freedom, both in mind and soul, comes a great burden of responsibility to others who cherish that same freedom. Divine Love drives a person to discover truth, both about him or her self, and about his or her Divine Lover. Yet this connection with the Beloved reflects back down into the world, which the Kabbalists called Malkuth, the Kingdom. You are in Love with the Beloved, and you Love yourself as you Love God (or Allah, or whatever name you wish to use), and this is further expanded in ever widening circles, and you Love everyone and everything else as you Love yourself. Neither individuality nor social identity are lost to one another -- they work together interdependantly, like a circle whose center is nowhere and whose circumference is everywhere! - --------------------------------------- Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 10:58:55 -0700 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI ASHA101@aol.com wrote: > > >>>When we remove much of the heat of individual ego-personality, humanity > acts more as a unit<<<< > sounds horribly boring, unless i don't get the concept. Persaonally i like > highly developed ego-personalities with much activity (i.e. heat), makes > things very fluid. Then things act like one ocean rather than one block of > ice. > And, if it means we need to occasionally suffer the slings and arrows of > outragous selves, then ok by me. > Which is to say that, for me, oneness is achieved by setting you (and me) > free. - -snip- > Asha Hello Asha My own thought on ego-personality is that it does not much matter if it developed or not. What matters is ones attachment to one's personality. If I am proud of my personality or strongly identified with my personality, (ie I believe my personality-self is my real self) then that may be an obstacle to true happiness. A personality is like a coat, we all have different ones but they do ware-out and they do come off. We only get upset if we think our coat is our skin and then it falls off or gets damaged. The man who thinks the coat is his skin will think he is damaged. He may even jump out a window and kill himself as several investors did in the stock market crash of 1929. Now the investor who knew that only his coat was damaged, probably just threw is coat out the window and said, "Well it was getting too hot anyway!". - -- Michael Moore see my face at http://home.aol.com/michaeljm8 ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 11:20:44 -0700 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI ASHA101@aol.com wrote: > > >>>When we remove much of the heat of individual ego-personality, humanity > acts more as a unit<<<< > sounds horribly boring, unless i don't get the concept. Persaonally i like > highly developed ego-personalities with much activity (i.e. heat), makes > things very fluid. Then things act like one ocean rather than one block of > ice. > And, if it means we need to occasionally suffer the slings and arrows of > outragous selves, then ok by me. > Which is to say that, for me, oneness is achieved by setting you (and me) > free. - -snip- > Asha Hello Asha My own thought on ego-personality is that it does not much matter if it developed or not. What matters is ones attachment to one's personality. If I am proud of my personality or strongly identified with my personality, (ie I believe my personality-self is my real self) then that may be an obstacle to true happiness. A personality is like a coat, we all have different ones but they do wear-out and they do come off. We only get upset if we think our coat is our skin and then it falls off or gets damaged. The man who thinks the coat is his skin will think he is damaged. He may even jump out a window and kill himself as several investors did in the stock market crash of 1929. Now the investor who knew that only his coat was damaged, probably just threw is coat out the window and said, "Well, it was getting too hot anyway!" - -- Michael Moore see my face at http://home.aol.com/michaeljm8 ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:45:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Physicians Meditation I don't know what you said But it must be amazing anyway! Some people don't know what poets are saying also, But is must be amazing anyway! I just know we're God Folks swiming around In God...Oh how amazing anyway! Kaffea Lalla ------------------------------ From: Hugh Talat Halman Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Sufi Films As-salaam 'alaikum... For Sufi films, also consider the Mevlevi documentary _Turning_ (there exist other Mevlevi films as well -- perhaps a visit to Threshold Society's homepage would yield more titles.) Around 1990, a Video was produced (perhaps by Quest -- the publishing house of the Theopsophical Society) entitled (and accompanying) Lex (Nur al-Jerrahi Hixon's (r.A.)book the _Heart of the Koran__. In addition to Hixon's interviews and explanations of theories and pratices of Tasawwuf, a good amount of scenes are offered of Shaykh Muzaffer Ozak Effendi (r. A.) leading _zikr_ and _sama'_. Huston Smith (ca. 1969) made a film portraying Sufism (I think it's titled _The Sufi Way_ and is available form a Connecticut-based firm called -- I think -- Hartley. Smith shows scenes from Egypt, Turkey, and India (Ajmer -- at the _mazar_ of Hazrat 'Inayat Khan [r. A.]). Well, mashallah, these are what come to mind immediately without textual reference. Perhaps an inquiry to Omega Press in New Lebanon N.Y. may disclose that they carry videos, either their own ('Inayatiyya-Chishti) and or others. The film library at UNC-Chapel Hill (UNiversity if North Carolina) holds a collection of over 250 titles in Middle-East & Islamic/Islamicate films. There is (I have once seen) a Morrocan film about a French-Moroccan woman who returns to the Maghrib and finds a connection to God through the Tariqa of the Shaikh whose spiritual presence she imbibes. Lastly, Daniel Muzaffer Donnell has (self) published books with large bibliographies (annotated). His _Chishti Sufi Wisdom Way: a Study Guide_ reaches masterly heights of understanding, sensitivity, and power. I think and hope he is on this list (as once he actively was) ao he might, inshallah, offer some suggestions: His address: Daniel Muzaffer Donnel POB 1721 Portland Oregon 97207 or Daniel Donnell & Khadim Khadijah-'Ashqi Chishti c/o Innergarden (tm) POB 2113 Lake Oswego, Oregon 97035. May these suggestions help, inshallah Talat ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:04:59 +0100 Subject: Just something Some questions: 1. Does someone have to do something to get love? 2. Does someone have to prove something to feel special? 3. Did something positive come out of this experience? My interpretation, is: 1. No, I do not have to do anything to get love. Love is free, God freely gives love, God is love, Love is God, and Love is God in me. 2. No, I don't have to prove anything to feel special. God is all the reality there is. God is special. God lives in me and everyone, and that is what is special. Everyone is alive in God, and that is special. I can't do anything to earn this, this is the grace, beauty, harmony, wonder, friendship of God in one and all in one. The Allah. 3. Yes there was one positive experience. I jumped into what I thought was the end of me, and it was the beginning. The Alpha and Omega, eternally turning. Lessons: A. It doesn't matter what others say, whether they approve or not. B. Do not be externally driven. C. Just Be D. Know the unconditional love inside that is not owned by anyone except God. E. Prove nothing. F. What appears to be horrible, might not be. G. The end of the false is the beginning of the real. H. I have run out of lessons. Kaffea lalla ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 12:25:38 -0700 Subject: The IDEA of nature Someone said to me "this is natural". So, I considered the meaning of 'nature'. The word is devisive in that it creates a division; this is natural, that is not natural. But are these catagories real or the product of human imagination. To explore the idea further some examples of things that people generally consider not-natural came to mind. For example plastic, cars, bombs, and intranets. All are human inventions are ergo not-natural. And so this seems to hold true with most human products. Then there are human activities. This area is a little more fuzzy in that there is less general agreement as to what is and what isn't a natural human activity; homosexuality for example. But what if we to find that there were thousands of worlds populated with technological civilations. (Carl Sagon said that given the billions and billions of planets, probability alone dictates this likelyhood.) And suppose that upon examination of these thousands of civilations we saw a pattern. First, the invention of the wheel, the iron age, the bronze age, the industrial age, the information age, the atrophy age. Everywhere we discover the same pattern as here on earth. Always in every case, plastic is invented, forests are cut down, bombs are dropped, the environment colapses, the atmosphere can't block sun's UV radiation and the planet is turned into a smoldering cinder. We discover that this is the natural course of events. So then who is to say that plastic is not natural. Suppose everything is natural. If everything is natural the the word 'natural' has no meaning. My own theory is that 'natural' is an artifical category invented for gaining power over other people. This false category allows me to say disdainfully, "That's not natural!" Of course the idea that artificial categories are inventions for personal empowerment is not new and not mine. The best exposition of this idea (that I know of) is Neitzsche's "Will to Power" where he holds Kant's catagories to be the work of shaytun. So, I think there is no nature, only Allah(swt) - -- Michael Moore see my face at http://home.aol.com/michaeljm8 ------------------------------ From: CWoodsong@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 16:00:02 -0400 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature Hello, Michael! I *just* had a most amazing meditation... >Someone said to me "this is natural". So, I considered >the meaning of 'nature'. What is 'natural' for /me/, is that which is unfolding within me... it's unique to me. What is Nature... is for us all to REALize. What happens within us cannot be 'forced' ... anything outside of TRUE NATURE is false and "unnatural"... Whatever gives discomfort or harm to any other, maybe perticularly to my Beloved Earth Mother, is perhaps even worse than "unnatural" .... Thanks for your thoughts, Michael! Wow! What a trip this life IS, eh?! :)(: only love, woodsong (or, rather... for Steve... :) only carol, love ------------------------------ From: Keeper of the Dragon Flagon Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 16:12:55 Subject: Re: The IDEA of nature >Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 12:25:38 -0700 >From: "Michael J. Moore" A good summation regarding the 'natural' state of things! I have some comments, not in opposition to yours, but just some ideas I have along similar lines. It seems to me that in the West, there is also a separation between mind and body, i.e.., cogito ergo sum, from Rene' Descartes, who also gave us analytical geometry. This seems, to me, to further imply a perceived separation between spirit and matter. Is this a further example of artificial categories? Does my sheer attempt at 'thinking' make me more real or make my existance more substantial than, say, a rock? As a sometime practitioner of Tai Qi and Qi Gong, I have come to the realization that cultivation of the matter of body physical body does have bearing upon my spirit. True, my body does get in the way, but that is because it is working in opposition to my spirit (Qi). When the Qi is cultivated in me, in whatever way I choose, I find both spirit and matter work together in a similar that I was talking earlier regarding 'the few' and 'the many' -- they are not opposites, but just different spokes on the same wheel. An animal acts without thought in many situations. And so does humankind, though many think themselves above instinct and intuition and things derived from emotion. And many further think that those who do derive actions from emotion and instinct are nothing more than 'animals' or uneducated brutes. Another thought I have had, prompted by an essay I read by J.R.R. Tolkien. Entities like souls, spirits, gods, demons, jinn, fairy folk, and so on, are usually thought of as 'supernatural', with plain old mundane stuff as 'natural'. But is this really the case? It seems that gods, demons, and jinn are far, far more natural than we are. It is we who have become 'supernatural'. The gods and demons should be casting spells on us to banish us or conjure us, not the other way around! ;-) Just some thoughts. Comments are not only welcome, but encouraged. - --------------------------------------- Brett W. McCoy "Unix was never designed to keep Istvan Dragosani people from doing stupid things, istvan@gnn.com because that policy would also keep Disciple of the Eastern Mysteries them from doing clever things." of both Love and War -- Doug Gwyn ------------------------------ From: roodee@pacific.net.sg (Rudy Herman) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 07:26:06 +0800 Subject: Re: newsletter available Please include me in your mailing list... Jazakallah At 20:07 01-07-96 -0400, you wrote: >>the monthly newsletter from Omega Press Mail Order Bookstore has just been >sent to our e-mail list. this newsletter tries to highlight new works in the >field of Sufism, with some related titles added in. >> >>if you are interested in receiving this newsletter and do not currently, >simply send a brief note in reply to this message and we will add you to our >e-mail list. >> >>------------------------------------- >>Abi'l-Khayr >>abilkhayr@taconic.net >>06/30/96 22:03:21 >>------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > >I would be interested in receiving the above mentioned newsletter. My email >address is ennea@net-gate.com. > >Thank you, > >Mark Fenkner > > ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:09:03 +0100 Subject: Re: newsletter available >Please include me in your mailing list... > >Jazakallah > > > >At 20:07 01-07-96 -0400, you wrote: >>>the monthly newsletter from Omega Press Mail Order Bookstore has just been >>sent to our e-mail list. this newsletter tries to highlight new works in the >>field of Sufism, with some related titles added in. >>> >>>if you are interested in receiving this newsletter and do not currently, >>simply send a brief note in reply to this message and we will add you to our >>e-mail list. >>> >>>------------------------------------- >>>Abi'l-Khayr >>>abilkhayr@taconic.net >>>06/30/96 22:03:21 >>>------------------------------------- >>>Kaffea Lalla >>>Well333@turbonet.com >>>07/02/96 >>>---------------------------------------- >>> >>> >> >>I would be interested in receiving the above mentioned newsletter. My email >>address is ennea@net-gate.com. >> >>Thank you, >> >>Mark Fenkner >> >> > > ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:12:02 +0800 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI On Tue, 02 Jul 1996, Frank Gaude wrote: >Hello, folks! > >Sharing today's meditation: > >Gas atoms chilled to near absolute zero, i.e., most of the energy removed, >behave as a unit, without individual movement. > >We thus see the analogy of water turned into ice, fluid into a solid, just >as a water droplet is compared to the ocean. > >When we remove much of the heat of individual ego-personality, humanity >acts more as a unit, with one "personality" for the "good" of all as >co-inhabitants of the planet, of the universe. > >>From the vision of there being many: we find unity! > >Any comments, anybody? > >tanzen > A rose dipped in liquid oxygen, lost its scents. When dropped to the floor it breaks like glass. The same can be said with man. Without spiritual beauty (the scents) our being is mere dust. ------------------------------ From: maarof@pc.jaring.my Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:47:02 +0800 Subject: Re: In Celebration Of On Mon, 01 Jul 1996, Frank Gaude wrote: >Hello, people of many lands! > >With his permission, we post friend Steve's wonderful gift to his country >celebrating its Day of Independence, July 4th, 1776. > >>From all our friends from around the globe, our beautiful Mother Earth, >perhaps a piece stating your feelings about your native land, the land that >gave you birth, through God's bounty? Please... > Since you said "please.." here it is :) to tanzen and his fellow beings in the land of the missisippi as i sat on this shore of rejang and saw a hornbill resting i thought of that eagle, soaring proudly in that magnificent blue sky the missisippi and the rejang, join and become one with all the rivers of the world, the ocean of our hearts salam maarof ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:53:09 +0100 Subject: Re: A Physicist's MeditationI >A rose dipped in liquid oxygen, lost its scents. When dropped to the floor >it breaks like glass. The same can be said with man. Without spiritual beauty >(the scents) our being is mere dust. >---------- Wow! I like how you translated what the physicist's said so I could glean this. It's a lot like without distintions and differences there is an essential truth in all the religions. Or take the wheat from the chaff and what have you Got! The Unity, The Real, The Essence, The Scent. What is the chaff, nothing really useful, just the waste product, anyway there isn't much nutrition to it. ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:26:32 +0100 Subject: Re: In Celebration Of On Mon, 01 Jul 1996, Frank Gaude wrote: >Hello, people of many lands! > >With his permission, we post friend Steve's wonderful gift to his country >celebrating its Day of Independence, July 4th, 1776. > >>From all our friends from around the globe, our beautiful Mother Earth, >perhaps a piece stating your feelings about your native land, the land that >gave you birth, through God's bounty? Please... > Since you said "please.." here it is :) to tanzen and his fellow beings in the land of the missisippi as i sat on this shore of rejang and saw a hornbill resting i thought of that eagle, soaring proudly in that magnificent blue sky the missisippi and the rejang, join and become one with all the rivers of the world, the ocean of our hearts salam maarof The ideal of this USA is freedom of Religion and Worship... The coin says In God We Trust The Constitution says All men (and I add woman) are created equal These are ideals, not always lived in the streets and in the neigborhoods, and in our community, But they still are good Ideals. I say to the citizens of earth, Let us take care of the earth, Not polute her with poison, war, bloodshed... If we are to honor our native soil, let us also honor our neigbors soil. Let Peace and Tolerance Begin home and abroad. This is the ideal of common folks, let it be the ideal of governments. ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #43 ****************************