From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Wed Sep 18 14:27:06 1996 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 06:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #140 tariqas-digest Saturday, 14 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 140 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zainuddin Ismail Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:08:34 +0800 (SGT) Subject: Re: TARIQAS Muhammad in Dream Salam my dear Joshi Iman , Long time no talk.The description of the Prophet is very detailed in the Hadis.I will post it to you.If you do see a person with such a description as described and your heart tells you that it is the Prophet , then it is so.The companions of the Prophet s.a.w said that it was their fortune to be with the Prophet whose miraculous charisma and spirituality was such -you can imagine invisible angels hovering around the place- that it was almost impossible not to affected by him.The Prophet spoke of people who would not see him and whose reward was greater than those in his time .People asked whether absent people -people in the latter ages- and it was well -known that they will get dreams of the Prophet and I tell you that one of the reasons why it is difficult for Muslim communities to abandon Islam is because of the continuing miracle of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w not just through the saints but through incredible dreams.Thousands have dreamt of the Prophet for example and when they got up there was a beautiful scent in the air which remained for days.Many saints travelled to foreign lands on the command given by the Prophet Muhammad to spread the Islamic message .One of them was the famous saint of Ajmer .Love At 08:12 9/13/96 +0800, you wrote: >> >> Hi Maarof, >> >> You wrote: >> > .... there are people meeting the >> > Prophet (saw) in dream even in present day. >> >> It would be interesting to hear what their experience was, >> if you know anyone personally who has had such a dream >> or if they have written about it. >> >as salaamu 'alaikum > It is reported that the prophet Muhammad, [saw] said that if one >of us should dream of him, it would be a good sign etc, because even >though satan can imitate others, he can't imitate the prophet[saw]; the >problem arises however, because we do not know what he looks like; sure, >from some vague descriptions, we know that he was of medium height, that >he had a beard, that he was handsome..but these are generally changing >perceptions; what may be handsome then may not be so now...so I for one, >would take this with a pinch of salt we do not know what he looks like, >and hence...and there are many sufi stories, whereby even sufis, were >deceived by satsn posturing as Allah[swt][ bright light etc]...so how can >we be sure? It is my honest opinion that perhaps that was meant for those >pple who had actually lives at the time when they were able to see him. >wasalaam. > > > ------------------------------ From: frank gaude Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 06:45:40 -0700 Subject: RUMI 0947 DON'T GO TO SLEEP this night one night is worth a hundred thousand souls the night is generous it can give you a gift of the full moon it can bless your soul with endless treasure every night when you feel the world is unjust never ending grace descends from the sky to soothe your souls the night is not crowded like the day the night is filled with eternal love take this night tight in your arms as you hold a sweetheart remember the water of life is in the dark caverns don't be like a big fish stopping the life's flow by standing in the mouth of a creek even Mecca is adorned with black clothes showing that the heavens are ready to grace the human soul even one prayer in the Mecca of a night is like a hundred no one can claim sleep can build a temple like this during a night the blessed prophet broke all the idols and God remained alone to give equally to all an endless love RUMI, ghazal number 947, translated May 18, 1992, by Nader Khalili. tanzen ------------------------------ From: Zainuddin Ismail Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:43:25 +0800 (SGT) Subject: Re: Desire Salam.Let me attempt to answer the question.Sexual desire is latent in the normal human being.In true religion celibacy cannot be the norm.Snuffing out sexual desire is therefore not correct.Controlling sexual desire is the correct manner.Let me elaborate. For young men who have sexual desire they are encouraged to fast if they are not yet suitable for marriage.Some sufis would advise to cut down on meat as well.However this must go together with Salat /Zikr /Fikr. For men who are already married, polygamy specifically polygyny , is not the answer because having more women for sex even within marriage does not necessarily reduce sexual desire.Again Fasting/Worship/ Zikr / Meditating on the names of God will help considerably .If I may add Reading is also useful because Bibliotherapy specifically reading a good English tafsir of the Quran perhaps by Yusuf Ali or Muhammad Asad would help to control one's thoughts."You are what you read" "You are what your thoughts are" Masturbation despite Yusuf Qardawi's views is not the answer.It can lead to masturbation complex and psychological problems.It is also clearly contradicted by the Quran which only allows sex within marriage. If I may add here even sex within marriage has its rules clearly mentioned in hadis No sex during wife's menstruation. No anal sex. Sex begins with a prayer and in a clean state. Islam is a religion that emphasises beauty in every action.So remember this rule of beauty even in sexual matters. For reasons best know to the Holy Prophet sex is not recommended when there is a full moon. At 23:04 9/12/96 CDT, you wrote: >What is the cure for sexual desire? > >Asim > ------------------------------ From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:47:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Desire Dear Asim, I'm sure that each sufi tariqa approaches this in a similar yet different way. Of course this brings to mind also the idea of the correspondence between morality and the prophetic sufi studies, but that is the focus that i am following up on here. Our Tariqa consideres working with any difficult aspect of one's self in this way: Aknowledgement, a healing attitude toward oneself, a realizaion that all of ones being is sacred and therefore acceptance of self (in the sense of an objective reflection on the impressions on one's being) is, as i understand it, the first step. The second step is to enhance the sense of sacredness within ourselves. To the degree that there is something unwanted in that center of sacredness, one removes it a little ways away, rather than destroying it or attacking it with violence. This saying by Hazrat Inayat Khan explains this well ""The only way to live in the midst of inharmonious influences is to strengthen the will power and endure all things, yet keeping fineness of character and nobility of manner, together with an everlasting heart full of love." And what is the best way to strengthen the will power? with what are reffered to as the "mysteries of hopefulness" in reference to diving deeply into the dimensions of one's self. And the motive? not to just become a better self, but for the healing of the humanity, the planet, as the American Indians say it, for "all our relations". love, Asha ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:11:53 -0700 Subject: Ahmadiyya/Qadiani movement Hello, I question if this (below) is appropriate material for this mail-list. This is not a strictly Islamic list and my understanding is that everybody is welcome to participate. There is no discussion in this, only name calling i.e. "EVIL". I know nothing about the Ahmadiyya/Qadiani movement, so I am not saying that it 'is' or "isn't" evil. But I think that what we need here is calm discussion of the details. If somebody wants to discuss the beliefs of this group, then I have no objection to that. Each individual may draw there own conclusion as to whether something is evil or not. Now if I hear somebody calling somebody else some names, I am inclined to think negatively towards the name caller and to reserve opinion about the targeted person. 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Moore ------------------------------ From: Lilyan Kay Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Ahmadiyya/Qadiani movement asalaam-u-aleikum I agree with Michael Moore. Lily ------------------------------ From: "ohla0003" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 15:06:34 Subject: RE: Desire >What is the cure for sexual desire? > >Asim Marriage. ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 14:03:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Desire ohla0003 wrote: > > >What is the cure for sexual desire? > > > >Asim > > Marriage. The question is based on the false premise that sexual desire is an ailment. It is like asking "What is the cure for having a left hand?" - -- Michael J. Moore ------------------------------ From: maarof Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 05:26:20 +0800 Subject: TARIQAS full moon I haven't encountered any hadith not encouraging sex during full moon. Probably during Prophet's time, it is quite bright during full moon, especially in desert where the sky is clear. Probably the Prophet was joking with the Companions :) salam ------------------------------ From: Asim Jalis Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 17:20:12 CDT Subject: Re: Desire Michael J. Moore writes: > ohla0003 wrote: > > > > >What is the cure for sexual desire? > > > > > >Asim > > > > Marriage. > > The question is based on the false premise that > sexual desire is an ailment. It is like asking > "What is the cure for having a left hand?" Okay. Perhaps that premise should be discussed. It is not obvious to me that sexual desire is *not* an ailment. For one thing it brings the "self" to the fore. In fact it probably represents the animal "self" at the pinnacle of its power and control over the mind. I was reading Rumi last night and he said, "take this dog hunting and you will be the quarry". If you look at newly married couples or people who have just started a physical relationship, they are highly self-absorbed. Asim ------------------------------ From: Imaan Joshi Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 06:55:21 +0800 Subject: Re: Desire At 23:04 12/09/96 CDT, you wrote: >What is the cure for sexual desire? > according to the sunna, fasting...but perhaps the desire referred to here is also wrt other desires, such as desire for food,... and sex... >Asim > > Imaan Shivani Joshi sci30342@leonis.nus.sg He who painted you all by Himself will not leave you alone in your mad desire. [Jalaluddin Rumi] ------------------------------ From: "Michael J. Moore" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 16:16:31 -0700 Subject: Re: Desire Asim Jalis wrote: > > Michael J. Moore writes: > > ohla0003 wrote: > > > > > > >What is the cure for sexual desire? > > > > > > > >Asim > > > > > > Marriage. > > > > The question is based on the false premise that > > sexual desire is an ailment. It is like asking > > "What is the cure for having a left hand?" > > Okay. Perhaps that premise should be discussed. It is not > obvious to me that sexual desire is *not* an ailment. Well, You have a point. I suppose that you could call anything that you don't like an ailment. > For > one thing it brings the "self" to the fore. In fact it > probably represents the animal "self" at the pinnacle of its > power and control over the mind. I've had my share of sexual desire but I don't think it had control over my mind but rather it is part of my mind. > I was reading Rumi last > night and he said, "take this dog hunting and you will be > the quarry". So then don't take it hunting, give it a bowl of food but DO make sure it gets it's fill. Once the dog is full and happy, it will go to sleep, and then you can get on with other things. Now if the dog does NOT go to sleep but wants to keep on eating and eating, then you have a dog with an ailment. >If you look at newly married couples or people > who have just started a physical relationship, they are > highly self-absorbed. As it should be with newly-weds. The spirituality of youth is not that of old men or women. > > Asim As always, everything is IMHO. (Unless you agree with me, in which case is is FACT! ;-) Michael J. Moore ------------------------------ From: Asim Jalis Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 18:25:46 CDT Subject: Re: Desire Are there examples of sufis who remained celibate? ------------------------------ From: Asim Jalis Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 19:21:14 CDT Subject: Time Time is an example of something over which there are no disagreements even though it exhibits some of the characteristics of religious doctrine: (a) it is different in different parts of the world and (b) it is perpetually in flux (in fact, by definition). Yet "what is the time" is one of the few questions you can ask a complete stranger anywhere in the world and expect a loving response. So there is also a concept of people seeking teachers and others responding to this need out of love. What would be nice would be a spiritual watch that could give you the same kind of perfect knowledge. Asim ------------------------------ From: yemimt@singnet.com.sg (Cresent Clinic & Surgery -Dr. M. Tahir) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:06:52 +0800 (SST) Subject: Re: Desire >Are there examples of sufis who remained celibate? Two examples of sufis, who I remember off hand, who remained celibate are Nizamuddin Aulia whose shrine is in Delhi, India; and Shahul Hameed of Nagore, India. The shrine of Shahul Hameed is perhaps the most famous in South India. Tahir ------------------------------ From: Imaan Shivani Joshi Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:19:18 +0800 (SST) Subject: Re: Desire On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Asim Jalis wrote: > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 18:25:46 CDT > From: Asim Jalis > Reply-To: tariqas@facteur.std.com > To: tariqas@facteur.std.com > Subject: Re: Desire > > Are there examples of sufis who remained celibate? > as salaamu 'alaikum as far as I know, Rabi'a of Basra, Hasan of basra, and many others whom I cannot remember:-) ------------------------------ From: dances Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 22:26:53 -0800 Subject: Hernia Does anyone of you have advice or solutions about a hernia? I have had this about 7 years lately it seems to be worse, maybe my diet is not good. When it hurts or bothers I just sit and wait for the moment to pass. The usual option of outpatient surgery won't work for me : can't afford the cost and the time not able to pay my obligations I have incurred. I really think diet is important just don't know!! Thanks James Hallam ------------------------------ From: "Khalil S. Ohlander" Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:34:45 Subject: Re: Desire Rabi'a al-Awliya for one. >Are there examples of sufis who remained celibate? > > ------------------------------ From: "Dr. M. Tahir" Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:46:44 +-700 Subject: RE: Hernia - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBA255.135B6FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James Hallam asked: Does anyone of you have advice or solutions about a hernia? I have had this about 7 years lately it seems to be worse, maybe my diet = is not good. When it hurts or bothers I just sit and wait for the moment to pass. The usual option of outpatient surgery won't work for me : can't afford the cost and the time not able to pay my obligations I have incurred. I really think diet is important just don't know!! The common type of hernia is caused by the protusion of of a loop of = bowel through an aperture in the abdominal wall, usually in the inguinal = region. I do not have sufficient details to give you specific advice. = If the hernia is reducible, ie. if it can be pushed back with the = fingers, or if it protrudes at certain times and dissapears at other = times, then it may be amenable to compression reduction using a hernia = truss. However the decision as to the type of truss and the suitability = of the hernia to truss treatment requires experience and you should seek = qualified medical advice. Diet is important. Constipation and straining at stools stools must be = avoided at all costs, since any increase in the pressure within the = abdomen, will tend to cause more of the hernia to be extruded. If = constipated you should take more fluids and fibre in your diet - cereal = , fruits, vegetables. Regular aerobic exercise appropriate to your age = and medical condition also helps relieve constipation. However avoid = lifting heavy loads, which also tend to increase intra-abdominal = pressure. Cough should be treated promptly, as the act of coughing also causes = spamodic increases of pressure inside the abdomen. But avoid cough = remedies containg codeine, as codeine has the side effect of causing = constipation.=20 =20 M. 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At 18:25 9/13/96 CDT, you wrote: >Are there examples of sufis who remained celibate? > ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #140 *****************************