From tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Mon Oct 7 22:11:13 1996 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:26:26 -0400 (EDT) From: tariqas-digest-approval@europe.std.com Reply-To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com To: tariqas-digest@world.std.com Subject: tariqas-digest V1 #164 tariqas-digest Saturday, 28 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 164 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 22:19:18 -0400 Subject: Re: I'm naturally curious, naturally... >>>"non-Islamic Sufi's" who seem to so clearly believe that there can be Sufism without Islam have ever *really* looked into Islam, i.e., really read about it, looked for a tariqat, looked for an Islamic Shaykh, spent time with Muslims, etc.<<< I'm not sure that anyone said that there can be sufism without Islam, just that some of us set ourselves up as arbiters and have opennes to only one view, the view that we have presently. That doesn't help in a discussion focused on understanding life better. Sometimes, we get upset (understandably so) because when twe wish to have a discussion and wish to use a term we get frustrated when somone just uses that terminology loosly and without thought. - -Asha ------------------------------ From: sarmad@ezonline.com (James Brody) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 02:36:10 GMT Subject: Re: Sorry, another Post On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:44:03 +0100, you wrote: >I don't think anyone can understand (the debates on who is a sufi and not >whether islam or not), has on a new sufi, like myself. It reminds me of the >different denominations of christians that I know debating on who is really >a true christian or a false one, who has the right theology or not. > >Is there any Sheikh on this net who could respond to the pain I feel when I >,as a new sufi, am viewed as maybe not even a sufi; and I see that there is >not even any concensus on this. This is how I feel. I feel homeless. I feel >everyone does not know what a tremendous step it is for someone like me ,in >the western culture,to be even exposed to this. Right when I learn to take a >big step and say the name Allah (which always before this for me has been >God), then I hear this is not good enough. Put yourself in my place. What >if the only bible you ever read was the bible and the only church was a >christian one, then after becoming part of a sufi circle, someone said you >have to read this other bible because it is all the truth, and the latest >truth, and you must get a Muslim >Sheikh, and get instuctions to learn in english and Arabic these words. And >you must have some one help you with the Quaran because you will not >understand without help and then you will be a true and real sufi. Isn't >this pretty overwhelming. >In the sufi circle, I am learning completely new things anyway, like how to >meditate, do Dhikr, etc. A couple of years ago, I never knew anything about >meditation. I could not sit 5 minutes without my legs falling asleep, My >back hurting like hell and didn't even know that there could be any pleasure >in this refreshing experience. A culture where you always sit in chairs and >then on floors is a drastic change. >Anyway I feel kind of depressed, because where I want to feel at home I am >starting to feel like an outsider looking into a world that is instead of >understanding my dilemas is hollering at me. Of course this is not true of >most but I do feel like a seccond rate sufi, who is never going to be >authentic in some eyes. >It doesn't matter that my life has been changing because of this experience, >that I am no longer the same as i was before. That I am recovered from >alcoholism, my faith restored in God, my love increasing, and my mental >illness healed. This is not good enough. >Where are the Sheikhs are Shakyhs that recognize the pressure that is being >put on us and can understand that there is good coming out of these western >branches of sufi and that without this none of us would have even a nodding >acquaintance with who you are or even care. >I have to admit that I am discouraged, and feel very lonly here. Kaffea lalla > > Please ask to only one place for your justification. "Strange things will happen; ask God to inform thee." ------------------------------ From: Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:59:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Sufi Soup >On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:57:16 GMT, you wrote: > >>>I don't know if I am natural or unnatural sufi. I don't know if sufi's get >>>up in the morning, walk down the street, eat beans for dinner, have >>>breakfast under the stars, don't read newspapers, existed before the cresent >>>moon or after the full moon. In the Ruhaniats I am called a sufi and have >>>gone through initiation. >>>I know some words in other languages. I know some Dhikrs. I have a >>>friend/guide. >>>I believe there is no reality but God and this concept when meditated on >>>changes everything I thought I knew and still do not really know. If I am >>>not a sufi then I am a lover of the Beloved inside looking out at all the >>>other Beloveds. >>>Whatever I am, I see no divisions by God only limitations by dogma. >>>I think it does not matter what i think as brain stuff is dilluted in the pure >>>stream of Allah in all around all through all in all names and non-names. >>>I think a tree tells me more about this than any language. Kaffea lalla >> >>Amen, sister. God is not limited by man's understanding of God. It is we >>who are limited by our understanding of who we are. John. >> >> >> >> >Here's the fire licking at everyones feet again. See how they dance. >See how we dance. >------------ Since I wrote the above poem, I did not intend to make a sufi sound flippant or use the term sufi loosely. I meant to point out that sufi's live and work and eat like everyone else. That I did not know if the first sufi started with Adam or with Islam or whenever. This refers to the debates when sufi started before Islam, during or (after) which I just said to say this is not as important in my mind except that to some it is and I did not want to get into debate about this. I meant to point out that sufi's are that perhaps they do things differently like don't read newspapers and eat breakfast under the stars...meaning they don't just follow the crowd, they are special in the way they relate to society, in that they make me think about what I do and why. I talked about the debates between natural or unatural, if I really am a sufi or not and that I did not know because some think I am and others don't, and so I was using some irony in this poem to point out my pain, and confusion, and rebellion at the frustration caused by the debates on this. So I stated if I am not really a sufi then maybe at least I am a lover of the Beloved looking out at all you who I see as Lovers of the Beloved or whatever name you call it. I also wanted to point out that sufi's are not always recognized. They could be anyone, whom you would not even suspect. It is similiar to the christian debate that says who is a follower of Jesus and who is not. It may be the last person you would recognize. This poem could be seen as a put down on the name sufi, but is not my intention. Sufi means many things like one who wears wool, and one who is purifyed and because I am not an expert I leave this to the experts. When i write a poem, it can be translated in ways that were not in my heart. Kaffea lalla ------------------------------ From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 23:08:28 -0400 Subject: Re: 3 Sufi Purposes Michael wrote, >>> East vs West one) and that If he wanted to that he could make it one<<< And might Allah make it one through us! Not that Allah must work through us but that for our benefit (you might say) perhaps this is how Allah might work. The sufis say that Allah created the world so that He might know Himself. Sufis sometimes use a rather convoluted language to say that "Allah knows himself as us." That is to say "I am the eyes with which god sees" .... this should not be distorted to say "I am god" that would be to miss the subtlety of this kind of language. >>>Logic would dictate that if Allah knows everything that is going to happen then there is no 'free will'.<<< Well, actually the idea of the Arrow of Time dictates that ida that there is no free will. There are other possibilities and other logics. >>> Yet there are many worlds so what is true in a lower world may not be true in a higher one. <<< maybe it could be said, "As above, so below" rather than "As below, so above." again, the subtlety of language that i'm not sure English is best at ... thanks, Asha ------------------------------ From: Michael Moore Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 20:42:37 -0700 Subject: Re: Sorry, another Post Jacquie Weller wrote: > > I don't think anyone can understand (the debates on who is a sufi and not > whether islam or not), has on a new sufi, like myself. It reminds me of the > different denominations of christians that I know debating on who is really > a true christian or a false one, who has the right theology or not. > > Is there any Sheikh on this net who could respond to the pain I feel when I > ,as a new sufi, am viewed as maybe not even a sufi; and I see that there is > not even any concensus on this. This is how I feel. I feel homeless. I feel - -snip- Kaffea lalla Dear Kaffea, Don't worry about all this talk today. This is not for you. If you are sincerely seaking, Allah swt will know it. One of his name is Al 'adl. "The Just". So even if you were to choose the wrong authorities to believe, Allah is Just and Allah is the most Merciful; I just don't see how you can loose. So, cheer up :-) Now if you stay on your path and are trying, it is possible that you come to a time when you think you need to move a little to the right or a little to the left. So, make the adjustment when and if the time comes. Have you thought about some chocolate chip cookies maybe! Mmmmmmmm. 8-) I just bought some earlier and I just remembered them and now they are calling to me..... Bright Blessings! - -Michael- ------------------------------ From: Diane Antone Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 21:44:40 -0600 Subject: What is a natural Sufi? Salam brothers and sisters, I am new to this list, but not new to sufism or islam, having been a moslem for eight years and a follower of Sheikh Nazim with whom I have a close heart connection. I don't have any pretentions about my level of knowledge and am only a beginner in understanding islam, although I have lived in Egypt and have attended mosques and celebrated Ramadam. What I do know that I have no idea what a "natural sufi" is, except that it is perhaps someone who likes part of islam but not other parts. Can someone who has time and some sympathy with "natural sufis" please mail me either privately or on the list if they feel it is appropriate and help me to understand this concept? I would say again that I am committed to Islam and that it found me rather than the other way round. Blessings and peace to all Ayesha ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:04:27 EDT Subject: Re: sufi words naturally Hello Simon, > for Christianity might be your path. yup, that's Kaffea Lalla's path... as is the path of many other religions. She stands where those paths intersect... she stands in the path of LOVE -- the path that crosses over artificial barriers created by man. The essence of Kaffea Lalla /is/ LOVE. Listen, dear brother... listen closely to her, with your heart. I think (and this is only /my/ opinion :) that Kaffea Lalla taught Rumi how to Sing! :) and peace, carol ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:04:27 EDT Subject: Re: Dear Amy On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:18:07 +0100 Well333@turbonet.com (Jacquie Weller) writes: >I asked my dog Amy what she thinks about these topics today >from sufi to soup to this thing and that. >She said huuuuuu >I asked her if she loved me. >She said huuuuu >I asked her if she knew i felt depressed >She said huuuu >I asked her if God loves all of us >She said huuu >I asked her if she was a sufi sheikh >She said huuu >I feel better and >We both said huuuuuu. >Kaffea Lalla Thank you, Kaffea! :)(: huuuuuu! anyone care to 'answer' this poem? :) c'mon, you guys! Instead of arguing about poetry... how 'bout creating some more? :) and peace... carol ------------------------------ From: Diane Antone Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 22:13:42 -0600 Subject: Re: Dear Amy Salam brothers and sisters, I loved Jacquie's post about her conversation with her dog Amy. I have four dogs myself who I love dearly and who supported me recently through a serious illness. Our dogs all love us unconditionally. If only we could do the same to other people and to god... As you say, Allah HUUUUUU!!! Ayesha. ------------------------------ From: Steve H Rose Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 00:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: sufi words naturally Assalamu alaikum. I guess I must respond with a bit of my own "tough love." I believe those who share poetry from their heart are much closer to the Sufi path than those who write long discourses attempting to "prove" that their perspective is the one and only correct one. May Allah forgive me for my anger in dealing with this topic. Habib ------------------------------ From: pathway@dnet.net (John Womack) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 05:00:31 GMT Subject: Re: Sorry, another Post > >Is there any Sheikh on this net who could respond to the pain I feel when I >,as a new sufi, am viewed as maybe not even a sufi; and I see that there is >not even any concensus on this. >Where are the Sheikhs are Shakyhs that recognize the pressure that is being >put on us and can understand that there is good coming out of these western >branches of sufi and that without this none of us would have even a nodding >acquaintance with who you are or even care. >I have to admit that I am discouraged, and feel very lonly here. Kaffea lalla Hello Kaffea: I am not a Sheikh, praise God, I am a pagan sufi. One who praises the sunrise and sunset and dances with wonder and prays at that those great glories; one who makes love under the full moon, who talks with flowers and is given practices by trees. A survivor of fundamental Christianity, an Emersonian Taoist, perhaps. One who believs Ouspensky when he speaks of a great thread of knowledge that predates man, predates the earth, and which has been found present in many places and times over the last 100 million years, and how over the last 3 or 4 thousand years or so, one group and race of people will call this knowledge their own, and then make it a secret, and hide if from "unworthy" people, and how it would then vanish, leaving those people with only an empty shell to worship and continue to mete out to their initiates, and how it would then reappear elsewhere, in another culture and another race, and they would do the same with it and how it has now been guilded with many layers of philosophy, religion, science and art. But it is not those things, it is our own innermost being. It is our heritage from our "spiritual DNA"; the greatest gift of all, the "wine" of drunken estacy. But - there is also work to be done. And perhaps the task before us now is the communication across lines of many different interpretations. In spite of the problems. In fact, perhaps, because of the problems. Some of the recent debate on the net now reminds me of a day I remember, back before World War II began, with a group of men sitting around a potbellied stove in a store in Alabama on a cold day discussing whether or not black people had souls. It was a heated debate, because one man believed they did. "Well, where are they going when they die? To Heaven???" Another asked: "Are they going to live side-by-side with the whites??" Hard questions, in Alabama, in 1940, on a cold day, when heaven seemed far away. But Fundamental questions with Fundamental answers. The real questions were blowing in the cold wind, even back then. So, Kaffea, my own feeling is that answers are for those who seek answers. If you want to *understand* the answers, then the price goes up. Some of us have already found too many answers. Pir Villiat said, in a retreat in Tampa, back in 1984, that what he looks for in a teacher is, first of all, Joy. (If a person *really knows*, they would have to be filled with joy.) Then, he looks for a lack of ego. I have always liked that. Now, I must go. The midnight wind is in the treetops out on the ridge outside our house, and I must go out and sing with it. My dog, Wali, also talks, and he asks that you tell Amy: huuuuuu. John. ------------------------------ From: Sashyia Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 22:11:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Dear Amy closeness: I want you my mind has no clue my heart beats in rhyme to "no more time" Where are you dear Heart I wish no more to Part tighter and tighter the spiral turns "in and out": the breath yearns for Your moisture of tears compels me to abandon fears My arms are open now To your embrace and how! james hallam May the Universe embrace you with light and warmth ------------------------------ From: woodsong@juno.com (Carol Woodsong) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 01:21:38 EDT Subject: Re: What is a natural Sufi? Hello Ayesha! :) If i may be so bold, welcome to Tariqas! What a wonderfully diverse group we are. Brother Habib is gracious enough to allow me to stay here, although my often ignorant questions and many times unusual (okay, "off the wall" is a better term! :) perspective has got to be at least somewhat annoying to those more 'serious' minded participants here. But, here we are... in all our glorious humanity! :) >I am new to this list, but not new to sufism or islam, having Thank you so much for introducing yourself. It is pleasant to me that we have this group here. I love hearing from others... who they are, their beliefs, their heart... if you will. :) >have no idea what a "natural sufi" is, except that it is perhaps >someone who likes part of islam but not other parts. Can someone >who has time and some sympathy with "natural sufis" please mail me >either privately or on the list if they feel it is appropriate and >help me to understand this concept? I would say again that I am >committed to Islam and that it found me rather than the other >way round. I have time, and sympathy with those /called/ 'natural sufi'... but i'm not sure that will be all that helpful to you. :) I don't know what it means... i don't even know what it means to be a /real/ Sufi! <Blessings and peace to all returned with much gratitude! carol ------------------------------ From: ASHA101@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:33:43 -0400 Subject: Re: Sufism and bay'at >>> For those of you who felt drawn to a particular man or woman, who later became your shaykh, what did you feel? Did you have to seek him/her out, or was it the other way around, or even a mutual thing?<<<< I met a person who has in some way or other helped to guide me for the last twenty five years --- Teacher? no, not in the sense that she gave me much knowledge, guide would be a better word -- When i first met her i didn't know she was anybody, but i liked her, (i asked her the way to a sufi meeting that no one was supposed to know about - she didn't know me either but she thought - he seems like he is O.K. so she told me) somehow she kept in contact with me, writing me letters just to say hello and keep my spirits up and sometimes i'd write back but i allways looked forward to her little notes, then years later something happened, she was in a difficult situation and i asked if she wanted to go on a boat trip and see nature, it just seemed so natural, and our contact grew ... then years later something else happened, i felt the need to ask her for some guidance, and she was kind to me, and our contact grew .... then years later i was really feeling down and when i had a chance to see her i was so glad, i felt i really needed to just see her and i asked her if she wanted to take a car trip to see the coast and we we did that for a whole day (years later i learned that she was feeling like she just really needed to see me!) and that day something happened and i knew i had met my true guide .... and years later, now, in fact, something is happening and i don't know what, sometimes she really tries my patience and suggests the dumbest things to me sometimes even irritating and then they really turn out to be right in a way i couldn't have even guessed at, and sometimes she wants me to care for her, and i can see how much she is working with her own self .... and so it goes, there is something which i trust in, there is something that i love, there is something that cares for me, it is she and not she, she is there and not there, she is here and not here, and now i realize that it has allways been that way, from the first day ... and i don't know how this happens, it is something to cherish, it is something to respect, it is her and not her, it is just natural and yet i have to remember that i have a duty, it is like learning sufism without a book and without a form, and yet when i look back upon it, there are the books, there are the forms ... I am amazed, where did all this knowledge come from, when did this religion happen ... it seems to have happened by just being careful of her being (i mean caring for her being in the way i act)... perhaps a shaykh is someone whom you are careful not to hurt ... but there seems to be more to it than that when i look back upon it ... perhaps when you are in it you just can't see it, perhaps the saying "the guide seems appear when the student is ready" is only a way of saying the guide is the one who is there when you wake up, but really they were there the whole time ... and the best way to act is as if you really were taking care of your guide as best you can ... bay'at in one way means the begining, and the begining can never really be seen till after you've been there ... how do you know you are not there now! How many begginings there have been with her! - - Asha ------------------------------ From: Imaan Joshi Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:03:22 +0800 Subject: Re: Sorry, another Post At 18:43 27/09/96 +0100, you wrote: as salaamu 'alaikum I have to admit that I am discouraged, and feel very lonly here. Kaffea lalla don't lose hope sister; there will always be pple who will disgree with us:-) we all make fools of ourselves; I am the queen at that, in some ways:-) I get up, then fall, then get up, only to fall again; if I were an ostrich life would be so much easier, bec right now, I am being made to face my own mistakes, and to be held accountable for moments of stupidity... I became muslim abt 1.5 years ago, and life during the first year was hell. it is not exactly a bed of roses right now but certainly much better...it may seem finally that things might be getting better, but I am too scared to hope. It always seems that in order for me to gain one thing, I have to lose another... I still have sisters/brs in faith who tell me I cannot read the Qur'an by myself. I still have pple telling me I should have a teacher, can't do anything without him...and then when we set out to find one, we realise how hard life is, how difficult,and I fall into the first trap that comes along,and I am still sitting here...waiting, wondering... Life is difficult. But alHamdulillah, I have finally been blessed with this, my faith; in Him. noone else is as important. Trust in Him. I can understand your pain; because I have felt it, all too too often; sometimes I wondered if I had done the right thing, becoming a muslim, fighting pple left and right the whole way. Facing my family every single day; putting up with cold shoulders, prying questions, a relationship that went sour...parents who worried I would never marry now that I am muslim; worrying I would never find someone to love me, worrying I would never find a niche for myself in islam...worrying I would never have money...worrying worrying worrying...and then I learnt abt tasawwuf...and began to trust in Him...and still worried, but a little less now...and met someone who was wonderful, who helped me grow, in a way I never imagined I would; he has my deepest respect, as does his wife, who was source of support as well...and now it would seem they too, are leaving my life...;-) what can I say? Sister, life is just that; much worrying much crying and many tears. and thru these there may be some good, Insh'Allah, that we may remember that we are from Him, and to Him is our return. I wish you all the best, and offer you my shoulder should you ever need it;-) to the rest my apologies for this:-) ------------------------------ From: Imaan Joshi Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:03:24 +0800 Subject: Re: Sorry, another Post At 05:00 28/09/96 GMT, you wrote: as salaamu 'alaikum John I did not understand most of that, but certainly, I felt for you, and the beauty in your words:-) ------------------------------ From: Imaan Joshi Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:03:26 +0800 Subject: Re: Sufism and bay'at At 03:33 28/09/96 -0400, you wrote: and I await as always, the murshid who is for me, the man or woman who is meant to be my guide. ------------------------------ From: James McCaig Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:25:32 -0400 Subject: Re: sufi words naturally At 08:36 PM 9/27/96 -0700, you wrote: >Mr.McCaig ------ >You're the one that seems to have it all figure out in your all >encompassing abstraction of everything goes spiritualism -- but see my >recent post regarding the poem you believe is Rumi's. > >And every assumption you've made about me is wrong. You don't know what >I believe Don't know and don't care. Belief, to a Sufi, is a weak position. What does it mean, really? I take it to mean that somebody that you know and respect has told you something and you have taken it as gospel. My respect is for Conviction, not Belief and conviction is born of experience, not the dictate of followers of followers. >, because I have never spoken of this here, I have merely >responded to 'statements' and in your case ignorant statements and coming >from a man who has lived so long and supposedly experiences so much it >might even be sad. But I'll keep in mind what the Talmud says in the >'Pirke Aboth' that is : >'That wisdom is not necessarily the property of age nor is foolishnes > of the young.' >And in that light I'll also keep in mind what Jesus Christ said: > >"Walk away from fools -- nobody can help them." > >Salaams to one and all > >Simon -- who represents no sisterhoood or brotherhood - just himself. > >========================================================================= >James McCaig wrote: >> >> At 10:50 AM 9/27/96 -0700, Simon wrote: >> >Mr.McCaig--- >> > >> >You've obviously repeated this often and it is also obvious that you >> >don't really understand what Rumi means here. >> >> Seems pretty clear to me. Is there a hidden meaning that you would care to >> elucidate, Oh learned one? >> >> > This is the poem that is >> >always quoted by people like yourself to reinforce their position that >> >Sufism exist outside of Islam and I might add it is still yours and >> >their illusion. >> >> Strange thing to say to someone who has just said "there is no Sufism >> without Islam", as I did in my earlier post, which predictably irritates >> brother Simon along with several other shrill voices in this group. >> >> Apparently he disagrees with his co-irritant from Green Mountain who says >> the first Muslim and Sufi was Adam, If I understand his rambling diatribe. >> If memory serves, he also said in his post that all the Prophets were Muslim >> and Sufis, neatly contradicting himself. >> >> But it is your life and if you insist and are not even >> >aware of this illusion -- so be it. There is really nothing more say in >> >case like this -- time might or might not tell, for your sake I hope it >> >does. And no matter how you slice it -- Rumi was a Muslim and was a >> >Muslim everyday of his life. >> >> Yes, he was a true and open Muslim and he was run out of Afghanistan by >> intolerant would-be Muslims like you. >> >> >One more word you are not Rumi. >> >> I knew that. >> > >> >Salaams to one and all ---- >> > >> >Simon >> >====================================================================== >> > >> >James McCaig wrote: >> >> Even our fact filled, albeit somewhat windy brother would agree that >> >> Rumi >> >> was and is Sufi. Here's what Rumi had to say about his religious >> >> affiliation: >> >> >> >> What is to be done O Moslems? for I do not recognize myself >> >> I am neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Gabr, nor Moslem. >> >> I am not of the East, nor of the West, nor of the land, nor of the >> >> sea; >> >> I am not of nature's mint, nor of the circling heavens. >> >> I am not of earth, nor of water, nor of air, nor of fire; >> >> I am not of the empyrean, nor of the dust, nor of existence, nor of >> >> entity. >> >> I am not of India, nor China, nor of Bulgaria, nor of Saqsin; >> >> I am not of the kingdom of Iraqain, nor of the country of Khorasan. >> >> I am not of this world, nor of the next, nor of Paradise, nor of Hell; >> >> >> >> I am not of Adam, nor of Eve, nor of Eden and Rizwan. >> >> My place is the Placeless, my trace is the Traceless; >> >> 'Tis neither body nor soul, for I belong to the soul of the Beloved >> >> >> >> Jallalludin Rumi >> >> Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington >> Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore >> United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi >> >> jmccaig@worldweb.net > > Maharaj James McCaig | Sufi Center of Washington Brotherhood/Sisterhood Representative | Keepers of Sufi Center Bookstore United States | http://guess.worldweb.net/sufi jmccaig@worldweb.net ------------------------------ End of tariqas-digest V1 #164 *****************************